The Mormon boys came to my door...

[Allweather]

In my local parish RCIA doesn’t start until September…so I have some waiting still. It’s easily the best/worst wait of my life! I love the time frame because it gives me the chance to KNOW (Mormons are concerned w/ #s like you wouldn’t believe); but in some ways so sad at attending Mass and not being able to participate fully. I’m reading/studying/learning a lot right now, but won’t be an official cathecumen (sp?) until September. And I’m certain that it will be worth the wait.

I went thru the same thing, and so did a lot of others here. I testify that it is WELL worth the wait. The months ahead will give you plenty of time to make sure that this is what you want. There probably will be ups and downs for you. Jesus will see you through all of them, stay close to Him. God Bless.

 

[hosemonkey]

Thanks for the suggestion. But I’m genuinely interested in why Mormons are not willing to talk about Kolob or spirit babies when they come to tell us our Church is apostate, not necessarily interested in “winning” anyone to my side. I think that if someone is going to come to a Catholic forum and tell us we are going to hell for belonging to an “apostate” Church, they should be willing to open up their own beliefs to scrutiny.

Right on! What I find intolerable in mormonism is their flat-out dishonesty regarding what they really believe. If they would tell you about all the weirdness straight up, in the beginning, I would certainly have more respect. But, they wait until you are hooked before springing the rest of the story. Dishonest, at best.

 

[anamchara]

No idea what you are talking about.

zerinus

Nor do I hang in there Zerinus all of your posts to me have my crystal clear my friend. We have had Mormon missionary’s stop by the house many times. We live near a huge Mormon Church so my youngest daughter has gone to school with several Mormon families. So consequently we have had many interactions with Mormons. I love them, I find them to be more faithful and about living the faith then some of my lazy Catholic friends who only go to Mass when it is convenient.

Btw, since I am into genealogy a Mormon friend got me in touch with his friends in the Church and they put together a lovely folder of fantastic information on my ancestry. They came by and dh and I spoke with them and had a lovely chat, they went there way and we went ours I see different white shirts on their bikes around here and I always enjoy asking where they are from and how their ministry is going. Great kids!

 

[Allweather]

LDS is not apostate. Christianity is.

zerinus

The LDS propose that the Catholic Church went completely apostate very early on. LDS point to certain NT passages that appear to show that the Great Apostasy was in progress even during the Apostolic Age. In fact, there is no question, utterly none, that many people apostasized from the Catholic Faith during and after the Apostolic Age, and have done so throughout history.

One reason, say the LDS, is persecution. They say that persecutions implemented against Christians by governments and plain folk were instrumental in causing the apostasy.

However, by the same measure, the LDS are also apostate. Many early LDS personages apostasized. In fact, most of Joseph Smith’s best friends and associates fell away. For instance the very first members of the First Presidency, Jesse Gause and Sidney Rigdon both fell away. Gause went on a mission a few months after being elevated to the high office, and never came back. Rigdon, chosen as Joseph’s running mate in the 1844 Presidential election, is one of Mormonism’s most famous apostates. There are many others. In fact, the Mormon religion fell apart after Smith’s murder, with several factions going separate ways, such as what became known as the RLDS.

As far as persecution goes, by the LDS own story-telling, there was no shortage of persecution of the LDS people during their early years. The LDS claim (against all historical evidence to the contrary) that persecution helped kill the Catholic Church, but somehow had an opposite effect upon the Mormons.

So, there were apostates in the Catholic Church from the very beginning. But not all went apostate. Not even very many, and certainly none of the Apostles, except Judas Iscariot. Nevertheless, the Mormons claim that so many went apostate that the very authority of the Catholic Church was removed from the Earth by God. Meantime, the LDS had almost ALL of its highest leaders go apostate, going so far as to oppose Joseph Smith publically and incite his killing in June 1844, followed by the disintegration of the LDS church into several factions, and yet THEY aren’t apostate.

 

[anamchara]

Thanks for the suggestion. But I’m genuinely interested in why Mormons are not willing to talk about Kolob or spirit babies when they come to tell us our Church is apostate, not necessarily interested in “winning” anyone to my side. I think that if someone is going to come to a Catholic forum and tell us we are going to hell for belonging to an “apostate” Church, they should be willing to open up their own beliefs to scrutiny.

Genuinely asking questions with Christian charity is fine and if they don’t answer then we should leave it alone and go about our way.

If you do not believe we are going to hell, then why worry about what they say? Let them come and say what they need, maybe they will stay and become more comfortable about sharing their faith.

 

[Eden]

Genuinely asking questions with Christian charity is fine and if they don’t answer then we should leave it alone and go about our way.

As before, thank you for your suggestion.

If you do not believe we are going to hell, then why worry about what they say?

Do you mean why do I continue to post? The reason is clear, this is a forum to discuss non-Catholic religions. I’m here to discuss non-Catholic religions.

Let them come and say what they need, maybe they will stay and become more comfortable about sharing their faith.

I understand what you are saying, but then, that wouldn’t make for a very lively forum if Mormons came and posted what they need to say and no one responds, would it? And don’t worry about Zerinus being scared off. I’ve participated in quite a few threads with him. He seems to enjoy the debates here. Why else would he have stayed here and posted in these forums as long as he has?

 

[VWcrazy]

Another name for the Mormon Church is The Apostate Church of Joseph Smith.

 

[anamchara]

Do you mean why do I continue to post?

 

[Eden]

No, I meant what I wrote my friend, why worry about what they say if it’s not true? You had said they think we are going to hell. I was referring to only that.

My response is that agreeing to keep a Mormon in ignorance by not challenging their beliefs or their misinterpretations of Catholicism is not “loving”.

I agree for the most part but I don’t believe I ever said never to respond. It’s how we do it.

We are all different personalities here. You respond in your way, I in mine. The Non-Catholic Forum is for “comparing and contrasting” beliefs and that’s what I’m interested in doing.

Perhaps he keeps coming back because he is hoping things might change. Like a bad accident he can’t look away

Perhaps, or perhaps not. I’m going to guess that he enjoys debating Catholics. Let’s ask him. Zerinus, do you enjoy debating at Catholic Answers?

 

[zerinus]

Oh, don’t be too hard on Zerinus, he can’t help it. He’s been skunked so many times on these forums that he doesn’t even get a burning bosom anymore. The burning has moved lower and nothing seems to help. False religion, false doctrine and a false prophet Zerinus. There it is, live with it.

I take back my apologies. I can see that my original assessment of your intellect was over estimated.

zerinus

 

[zerinus]

Nor do I hang in there Zerinus all of your posts to me have my crystal clear my friend. We have had Mormon missionary’s stop by the house many times. We live near a huge Mormon Church so my youngest daughter has gone to school with several Mormon families. So consequently we have had many interactions with Mormons. I love them, I find them to be more faithful and about living the faith then some of my lazy Catholic friends who only go to Mass when it is convenient.

Btw, since I am into genealogy a Mormon friend got me in touch with his friends in the Church and they put together a lovely folder of fantastic information on my ancestry. They came by and dh and I spoke with them and had a lovely chat, they went there way and we went ours I see different white shirts on their bikes around here and I always enjoy asking where they are from and how their ministry is going. Great kids!

Thanks. I think you will find that Mormons are the most tolerant of other peoples’ faiths, and are willing to respect other peoples’ beliefs, and honor them for what they are, rather than try to force them to believe as they do. That come from the inner confidence and assurance they have that what they have found is indeed the truth.

zerinus

 

[zerinus]

Perhaps, or perhaps not. I’m going to guess that he enjoys debating Catholics. Let’s ask him. Zerinus, do you enjoy debating at Catholic Answers?

Yes, although I understand what anamchara is saying. I came here about a year ago. Three months ago I decided to leave, not because I didn’t enjoy the debates, but because I found that it was becoming too distracting for me—although I occasionally looked in to see what other people were saying. Then I discovered that my name kept cropping up—and not always charitably—even three months after I was gone! So I decided to come back for a while, and teach them a thing or two.

zerinus

 

[zerinus]

The LDS propose that the Catholic Church went completely apostate very early on. LDS point to certain NT passages that appear to show that the Great Apostasy was in progress even during the Apostolic Age. In fact, there is no question, utterly none, that many people apostasized from the Catholic Faith during and after the Apostolic Age, and have done so throughout history.

One reason, say the LDS, is persecution. They say that persecutions implemented against Christians by governments and plain folk were instrumental in causing the apostasy.

However, by the same measure, the LDS are also apostate. Many early LDS personages apostasized. In fact, most of Joseph Smith’s best friends and associates fell away. For instance the very first members of the First Presidency, Jesse Gause and Sidney Rigdon both fell away. Gause went on a mission a few months after being elevated to the high office, and never came back. Rigdon, chosen as Joseph’s running mate in the 1844 Presidential election, is one of Mormonism’s most famous apostates. There are many others. In fact, the Mormon religion fell apart after Smith’s murder, with several factions going separate ways, such as what became known as the RLDS.

As far as persecution goes, by the LDS own story-telling, there was no shortage of persecution of the LDS people during their early years. The LDS claim (against all historical evidence to the contrary) that persecution helped kill the Catholic Church, but somehow had an opposite effect upon the Mormons.

So, there were apostates in the Catholic Church from the very beginning. But not all went apostate. Not even very many, and certainly none of the Apostles, except Judas Iscariot. Nevertheless, the Mormons claim that so many went apostate that the very authority of the Catholic Church was removed from the Earth by God. Meantime, the LDS had almost ALL of its highest leaders go apostate, going so far as to oppose Joseph Smith publically and incite his killing in June 1844, followed by the disintegration of the LDS church into several factions, and yet THEY aren’t apostate.

You know better than that weatherman. You have debated with Mormons about this more than long enough.

zerinus

 

[hosemonkey]

I take back my apologies. I can see that my original assessment of your intellect was over estimated.

zerinus

Zerinus, if you were as smart as you think you are, you would be Catholic. But, nobody is perfect, I guess.

 

[twosweetgirls]

^Just give Z some time; he’ll discover for himself how warm and welcoming the waters of the Tiber are.

 

[Jerusha]

I think you will find that Mormons are the most tolerant of other peoples’ faiths, and are willing to respect other peoples’ beliefs, and honor them for what they are, rather than try to force them to believe as they do. That come from the inner confidence and assurance they have that what they have found is indeed the truth.

:banghead: :banghead: This thread has become absolutely repetitoious and bizarre. Now he is reduced to one of the strangest distortions of logic I have ever seen. What you say turns right back on us, thank you for the compliment. In my experience, your perception of LDS people belongs right on the star Kolob-- ever visited there?

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

Just give Z some time; he’ll discover for himself how warm and welcoming the waters of the Tiber are.

He really doesn’t have many alternatives left.

 

[anamchara]

Thanks. I think you will find that Mormons are the most tolerant of other peoples’ faiths, and are willing to respect other peoples’ beliefs, and honor them for what they are, rather than try to force them to believe as they do. That come from the inner confidence and assurance they have that what they have found is indeed the truth.

zerinus

I found this to be true as well. And of course it makes sense they have found an inner peace and confidence, especially if they have grown up in the faith. I’m not into the drilling tactics that some of my fellow Catholics like to use on here. For this reason I don’t normally come over here as I normally will always find some lone Mormon or whoever under a bright light of integration…then if you call them on it there excuse is always the same “but…but he said we were going to hell” boo hoo! Cry me a river! rude is rude, sorry no excuse.

I don’t know why people can’t just simply say… oh I’m sorry you believe we are going to hell… we don’t believe this and here’s why and then just have an exchange! What’s with all the integration tactics?

I am fully aware that Mormons do believe they are the true Church and it’s been explained to me and I’ve watched several programs on what they believe. So what. We believe we are as well. I guess we have to live at this impasse. :hug1:

 

[zerinus]

Zerinus, if you were as smart as you think you are, you would be Catholic. But, nobody is perfect, I guess.

You deserve a suitable avatar. I think that this will do you proud:



zerinus

 

[StacieAdy]

You deserve a suitable avatar. I think that this will do you proud:

http://thewookiee.com/uploaded_images/monkey sitting in ubud bali-781420.JPG

zerinus

You guys need to behave! :dts:

But this is hilarious!

 

[zerinus]

I’m not into the drilling tactics that some of my fellow Catholics like to use on here. For this reason I don’t normally come over here as I normally will always find some lone Mormon or whoever under a bright light of integration…then if you call them on it there excuse is always the same “but…but he said we were going to hell” boo hoo! Cry me a river! rude is rude, sorry no excuse.

I think that you will find that those who act in this way are most of the time not true Catholics. The are mostly apostates from the LDS Church who have their own hidden agenda to pursue. Very often they are no more believers in Catholicism than they are of Mormonism; and they use the Catholic Church as a platform from which to bash Mormonism. So don’t judge Catholics and Catholicism by what you see on these boards. It only gives you a distorted picture of what the attitude of Catholics towards others are.

I don’t know why people can’t just simply say… oh I’m sorry you believe we are going to hell… we don’t believe this and here’s why and then just have an exchange! What’s with all the integration tactics?

Of course we don’t believe that you are all going to hell. No Mormon would tell you that.

I am fully aware that Mormons do believe they are the true Church and it’s been explained to me and I’ve watched several programs on what they believe. So what. We believe we are as well. I guess we have to live at this impasse. :hug1:

Agreed!

Zerinus