The Mormon boys came to my door...

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Allweather said:
Thanks, Zerinus. I may have a few questions for you on this later, once I’ve got a chance to read thru it. Is this your own synopsis? Or is it taken from another source?
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It is my understanding of LDS doctrine—which is as good as anybody else’s. 🙂 I did not copy it from another source, if that is what you are asking.
One thing that catches my eye is the clip just above, where you say that one unforgiveable sin is murder. According to the Encyclopedia of Mormonism article under the heading “Telestial Kingdom” it says the following:
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““Within the telestial glory there will be varying degrees of glory even as the stars vary in brightness as we see them. It embraces those who on earth willfully reject the gospel of Jesus Christ, and commit serious sins such as murder, adultery””…an so on.
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If this be accurate, then it seems as if this disagrees with what you say about Murder being an unforgiveable sin in terms of everlasting perdition.
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In every religion there areas of theology that are controversial, about which it is possible to have more than one opinion. My understanding of LDS doctrine is that premeditated murder is unpardonable (see D&C 42:79). Others may justifiably disagree. Bear in mind that there are different kinds of murder. Not all murders are of equal severity in the sight of God. Maybe that is what they have in mind.
Also, I wonder about the “willfully reject the gospel of Jesus Christ” part. Does this refer specifically to the Mormon version of the gospel? If it does, then it would seem that anyone who rejects Mormonism is consigned by definition to no higher than the telestial kingdom.
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You would have to ask that question from the author of that article. I am not responsible for what other people write, nor feel obliged to defend or explain them, nor am I bound by what they have said. I derive my understanding of LDS doctrine directly from the standard works of the LDS Church; and that is the only source of LDS theology and doctrine that I would feel obliged to defend or explain.

zerinus
 
Hmm, Z still hasn’t replied to me. Hopefully his pot’s getting uncomfortable with his kettle. :rolleyes:
 
zerinus said:
LDS is not apostate. Christianity is.

zerinus
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Exactly. I do believe you just preached to the choir, Zerinus 👍

You just differentiated Mormonism from Christianity, which is what we’ve done all along. Maybe it’s sinking in?:extrahappy:
 
anamchara said:
“but…but he said we were going to hell” boo hoo! Cry me a river! :rolleyes:
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Mocking = Not Christian
rude is rude, sorry no excuse.
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In my opinion, you have not targeted several of my posts in the spirit of loving, Christian guidance, but to distract from the discussion that had begun about Kolob and spirit babies and becoming gods which are Mormon beliefs. If you had genuinely been interested in my tone in my posts, you would have privately contacted me. The agenda of distraction is clear.
I don’t know why people can’t just simply say… oh I’m sorry you believe we are going to hell… we don’t believe this and here’s why and then just have an exchange! What’s with all the integration tactics?
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Can you please define what you mean by “integration tactics”?
I am fully aware that Mormons do believe they are the true Church and it’s been explained to me and I’ve watched several programs on what they believe. So what. We believe we are as well. I guess we have to live at this impasse. :hug1:😃
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I don’t have this lackadaisical attitude toward the false prophet, Joseph Smith which you are describing yourself as having, this is true.

What does the Bible tell us about men like Joseph Smith?

(Matt. 24:11, 23-26) " . . . many false prophets shall rise, and shall seduce many. . . . Then if any man shall say to you: Lo here is Christ, or there, do not believe him. For there shall rise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Behold I have told it to you, beforehand. If therefore they shall say to you: Behold he is in the desert, go ye not out: Behold he is in the closets, believe it not."

St. Paul says “If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that you have received,** let him be anathema**” (Galatians 1:9).

St. Peter said " . . .** lying teachers who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them**: bringing upon themselves swift destruction . . . These are fountains without water, and clouds tossed with whirlwinds, to whom the mist of darkness is reserved" (2 Peter 2:1, 17).
 
The Mormon religion appears to be designed to appeal to the male ego. I see nothing in it for women. They seem to prefer men and younger boys in their evangelization.

A personal relationship with God who is intimately involved with each and every detail of our life is so much more appealing in every way over this hodge podge that is Mormonism. I cannot see what anyone, save an egotistical male, sees in it. Can anyone explain?
 
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anamchara:
What’s with all the integration tactics?
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I’m still trying to understand what you mean by “all the integration tactics” that I and others on this thread are being accused of.

Almost everything I find refers to businesses. Take for instance, this article from e-week.com:

eweek.com/article2/0,1895,547407,00.asp

I don’t see the relevance to this thread. 🤷

I also found this biology site which discusses the integration of alien species into ant colonies:

"Integration tactics can range from chemically repelling hosts to chemical camouflage or attraction." :confused:

biologie.uni-muenchen.de/ou/ecology/etho_e/research.htm
 
Ceil-1 said:
The Mormon religion appears to be designed to appeal to the male ego. I see nothing in it for women. They seem to prefer men and younger boys in their evangelization.

A personal relationship with God who is intimately involved with each and every detail of our life is so much more appealing in every way over this hodge podge that is Mormonism. I cannot see what anyone, save an egotistical male, sees in it. Can anyone explain?
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Astute observation. I believe that mormonism has much in common with mohammedanism, especially in it’s position vis a vis women. Women are certainly subordinate to men, secret names and all that fol-de-rol. Women’s role seems to be to produce endless spirit babies while their husbands cavort with their other ‘spiritual’ wives. Their theology in regard to women seems tied to the 19th century. Joe Smith’s wife opposed him bitterly with regard to polygamy, but the polygamy doctrine was’nt for women, certainly, but the guys had a lot of fun with it.😉
 
Eden said:
I’m still trying to understand what you mean by “all the integration tactics” that I and others on this thread are being accused of.
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May have been a type for “interogation”.

zerinus
 
hosemonkey said:
Astute observation. I believe that mormonism has much in common with mohammedanism, especially in it’s position vis a vis women. Women are certainly subordinate to men, secret names and all that fol-de-rol. Women’s role seems to be to produce endless spirit babies while their husbands cavort with their other ‘spiritual’ wives. Their theology in regard to women seems tied to the 19th century. Joe Smith’s wife opposed him bitterly with regard to polygamy, but the polygamy doctrine was’nt for women, certainly, but the guys had a lot of fun with it.😉
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In fact, if a woman wants to be saved, she has to be “celestially married” to a holder of the priesthood. The women get secret names in the eternal marriage ceremony, so their husbands can call them to “the other side” after death.

Mary Ettie Smith, a Mormon woman who left the church and Utah in 1856, said that "women do not amount to much in themselves," and that women in those times were often celestially married to men they had no intention of ever living with, so that they could have a man who would be able to get them into heaven (Green 154).

Then, of course, the women bear “spirit children” for eternity, while their husbands create and rule over planets.
 
Eden said:
In fact, if a woman wants to be saved, she has to be “celestially married” to a holder of the priesthood. The women get secret names in the eternal marriage ceremony, so their husbands can call them to “the other side” after death.

Mary Ettie Smith, a Mormon woman who left the church and Utah in 1856, said that "women do not amount to much in themselves," and that women in those times were often celestially married to men they had no intention of ever living with, so that they could have a man who would be able to get them into heaven (Green 154).

Then, of course, the women bear “spirit children” for eternity, while their husbands create and rule over planets.
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Over to you, Zerinus.
 
Eden said:
AH! Could be. Although I don’t get why “interrogation tactics” would upset anyone. Interrogate me about Catholicism… please!!! 😃
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I don’t think it was the “interogation” that she was unhappy about, but the “tactics”.

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
I don’t think it was the “interogation” that she was unhappy about, but the “tactics”.

zerinus
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Ohhh!!! :doh2: Those interrogation tactics. So, she’s upset that we used waterboarding and stress positions to get more information from you about Kolob? 😛 :hypno:
 
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