The Mormon boys came to my door...

[anamchara]

I don’t think it was the “interogation” that she was unhappy about, but the “tactics”.

zerinus

It was the tactics and unfortunately my spelling caused some confusion. I saw that your faith was being mocked plain and simple.

 

[hosemonkey]

Sorry, I have to agree with Eden. Eden is reacting to the tone of one of Zerinus’ first posts in which he declaims that mormonism is the True Faith, Christianity is in apostacy, the mormon church is the only true church and other such of his usual blather. He set the tone. He is arrogant and dismissive of all other opinions. Eden doesn’t take any nonsense and neither do I. Sorry for not being Politically Correct. Zerinus and mormonism is in error and false politeness cuts no ice. He insults and demeans your faith and that is not right. I’ll turn my cheek once and then I’ll punch back.

BTW, Zerinus, how do you like my new avatar? Thanks for finding it for me.

 

[anamchara]

AH! Could be. Although I don’t get why “interrogation tactics” would upset anyone. Interrogate me about Catholicism… please!!!

Where does it say in the catechism or anywhere that we are to use interrogation tactics? I thought that went out with the Spanish inquisition or the burning of heretics…or are you one of those Catholics that don’t believe it all happen? Seriously there are many on here that love to deny this or at least play it down.

 

[hosemonkey]

Where does it say in the catechism or anywhere that we are to use interrogation tactics? I thought that went out with the Spanish inquisition or the burning of heretics…or are you one of those Catholics that don’t believe it all happen? Seriously there are many on here that love to deny this or at least play it down.

You need to lighten up, besides, it’s good to burn a heretic once in a while, it keeps the others in line.

 

[Eden]

If you read the first few of my post targeting you and a few others my friend they were with Christian guidance. Please don’t try and throw the old “you have an agenda” stuff.

Your tone comes across to me as bitter and angry. Did you intend to sound that way?

That is ridiculous. My agenda is very clear. I don’t like minorities being picked on and especially not by people in my own faith. If you can’t see that you were picking then we have nothing to say to each other.

I think this is very insulting and patronizing to Zerinus. By characterizing a fellow poster here as being “picked on”, you are implying that he is somehow inferior, either intellectually or otherwise. Do you not have the confidence in Zerinus to hold his own in these debates? By your characterization of him as being weak and bullied, it seems I have more respect for him then you do. I respect that he has chosen to come here and challenge what is being discussed about Mormonism. I don’t view him as a weak child cowering in the corner of the playground.

I’m sorry? Can you explain this? I don’t remember saying anything about Joesph Smith.

I am referring to your statement that you (shrug) at theological differences between Catholicism and Mormonism.

And why are you giving me scripture?

I’m surprised that passages from Sacred Scripture got your hackles up. I wouldn’t have expected such a response from a Catholic.

I’ll go back to my original point,:banghead: you can disagree and give your facts as to why but you don’t need to be rude about it.

I don’t see challenging the ridiculous notion of Kolob, or spirit babies or the idea that Mormon men can become gods of their own planets as rude.

Nice way to enter a conversation, how polite.

That Kolob is the planet closest to God and that someday you will be a god, having eternal intercourse to create spirit babies to populate your planet, does *not *have any basis in reality.

nice way to twist someones words and nice use of interrogation tactic there’s that word

Asking someone if they won’t discuss Kolob because it’s embarrassing, is an interrogation tactic? I would associate the expression “interrogation tactics” more with torture.

Oh I love this one, from your buddy, here’s where the two of you gang up and start padding each other on the backs, school yard bully tactics here.

In fact, he and I had just had a discussion on a different thread, on different topic (baptism as salvific or symbolic) and were of opposing viewpoints.

and he respects you? I must live in a different Catholic Church then you two.

He is not Catholic.

And heres where the two of you are no longer even talking to the Mormon but tee heeing right infront of his face. Nice work! And lovely way to mock someones faith.

Does the picture of the monkey and the accusation that someone is only as intelligent as a monkey turn your stomach? Because Zerinus seems to be having fun with this post, not feeling bullied.

Then he reads those ridiculous posts and simply says " you two have shown your true colors " and with false innocence you reply by saying

He was referring to the banter you and your friend had a bit of fun with. This kind of stuff turns my stomach.

While I understand that you feel he can’t defend himself, I think we should let all posters speak for themselves, including Zerinus. I haven’t gotten any indication from Z that he feels like a bullied minority. If I am wrong, please tell me.

 

[anamchara]

Sorry, I have to agree with Eden. Eden is reacting to the tone of one of Zerinus’ first posts in which he declaims that mormonism is the True Faith, Christianity is in apostacy, the mormon church is the only true church and other such of his usual blather. He set the tone. He is arrogant and dismissive of all other opinions. Eden doesn’t take any nonsense and neither do I. Sorry for not being Politically Correct. Zerinus and mormonism is in error and false politeness cuts no ice. He insults and demeans your faith and that is not right. I’ll turn my cheek once and then I’ll punch back.

BTW, Zerinus, how do you like my new avatar? Thanks for finding it for me.

You and Eden go beyond not taking nonsense into a world of rude snide mocking behavior which doesn’t fit the Catholic teaching at all in terms of how we are to treat other peoples faith and arguably your guilty of not complying with forum rules. That is the most ridiculous excuse to hide behind I’ve ever seen. “we take no nonsense” lol! What a joke.

I haven’t been over here long enough to see him demean anyones faith but forgive me if I don’t take your word for it as I don’t see your actions any better.

 

[Eden]

Where does it say in the catechism or anywhere that we are to use interrogation tactics?

Can you be more specific about these “interrogation tactics”? I still don’t know what you are accusing me of, but I’d like to understand. Is it your perception that I have been rude, the “interrogation tactic” you are referring to? My perception is that I have repeatedly been personally attacked by you since you first posted here, something you cannot accuse me of having done to Zerinus.

I thought that went out with the Spanish inquisition or the burning of heretics…or are you one of those Catholics that don’t believe it all happen? Seriously there are many on here that love to deny this or at least play it down.

Your hostility to the Catholic Church and to Sacred Scripture confuse me.

 

[zerinus]

Your tone comes across to me as bitter and angry. Did you intend to sound that way?

I think this is very insulting and patronizing to Zerinus. By characterizing a fellow poster here as being “picked on”, you are implying that he is somehow inferior, either intellectually or otherwise. Do you not have the confidence in Zerinus to hold his own in these debates? By your characterization of him as being weak and bullied, it seems I have more respect for him then you do. I respect that he has chosen to come here and challenge what is being discussed about Mormonism. I don’t view him as a weak child cowering in the corner of the playground.

I am referring to your statement that you (shrug) at theological differences between Catholicism and Mormonism.

I’m surprised that passages from Sacred Scripture got your hackles up. I wouldn’t have expected such a response from a Catholic.

I don’t see challenging the ridiculous notion of Kolob, or spirit babies or the idea that Mormon men can become gods of their own planets as rude.

That Kolob is the planet closest to God and that someday you will be a god, having eternal intercourse to create spirit babies to populate your planet, does *not *have any basis in reality.

Asking someone if they won’t discuss Kolob because it’s embarrassing, is an interrogation tactic? I would associate the expression “interrogation tactics” more with torture.

In fact, he and I had just had a discussion on a different thread, on different topic (baptism as salvific or symbolic) and were of opposing viewpoints.

He is not Catholic.

Does the picture of the monkey and the accusation that someone is only as intelligent as a monkey turn your stomach? Because Zerinus seems to be having fun with this post, not feeling bullied.

While I understand that you feel he can’t defend himself, I think we should let all posters speak for themselves, including Zerinus. I haven’t gotten any indication from Z that he feels like a bullied minority. If I am wrong, please tell me.

Don’t waste your breath replying, anamchara. Sometimes they are best left ignored.

zerinus

 

[Eden]

I haven’t been over here long enough to see him demean anyones faith but forgive me if I don’t take your word for it as I don’t see your actions any better.

This is the root of the entire problem. You haven’t read the entire thread. I would ask that you do so.

 

[hosemonkey]

You and Eden go beyond not taking nonsense into a world of rude snide mocking behavior which doesn’t fit the Catholic teaching at all in terms of how we are to treat other peoples faith and arguably your guilty of not complying with forum rules. That is the most ridiculous excuse to hide behind I’ve ever seen. “we take no nonsense” lol! What a joke.

I haven’t been over here long enough to see him demean anyones faith but forgive me if I don’t take your word for it as I don’t see your actions any better.

Stick around a while or go back and read some of Zerinus’ previous posts, you will see what I am refering to. I did not post the picture of the monkey(although I have to admit that I like it) I WILL take no nonsense when it comes to someone attacking my faith or someone promoting dishonesty in trying to sell a false religion to the unwary, which is the general mormon agenda. I don’t do touchy-feely, not my style. I have studied mormonism too long to be duped by Zerinus’ facile attempts to prove his religion. Make no mistake, mormons can be mormons all they like, but when I hear false doctrine and attacks on my faith, I will respond. If I break forum rules, I’m sure that one of the nannies will call me on it.

 

[Eden]

You and Eden go beyond not taking nonsense into a world of rude snide mocking behavior which doesn’t fit the Catholic teaching at all in terms of how we are to treat other peoples faith and arguably your guilty of not complying with forum rules. That is the most ridiculous excuse to hide behind I’ve ever seen. “we take no nonsense” lol! What a joke.

I want to point out that a private message to that effect would have been more tactful. Publicly attacking others and our religion in a manner that is just as rude and mocking as you have accused others of being is not the way to “right” a perceived injustice. Do you see the hypocrisy?

 

[anamchara]

Your tone comes across to me as bitter and angry. Did you intend to sound that way?

 

[Eden]

So and your point?

You neglected to both read this thread in full, and to read the profile of the poster whom you called my “buddy”. You said, “I must live in a different Catholic Church than you two”. I am pointing out to you that you were incorrect. He is not Catholic.

No your behavior and a few others turns my stomach.

Or is that the “burning in the bosom” I’ve heard about. Someone here mentioned Nexium earlier.

I have no idea why are you referring to a monkey.

I really don’t know how you could have missed that. It’s really big and it’s really fuzzy.

I never said he can’t defend himself…infact I think he is doing great. I can see now that you are one of those posters that like to change peoples words around and try and give a shadow of doubt as to a persons intentions or genuine sentiment. I’ve seen it before…your own words don’t hold enough weight so you fix things up to suit your self.

It’s very hard to twist someone’s words around when they won’t even address the issues of Kolob, spirit babies, celestial marriage or men becoming gods of their own planets. I’d really like a Mormon to give a rational explanation for these beliefs, but unfortunately we all seem to be tied up by these distraction posts.

 

[anamchara]

I want to point out that a private message to that effect would have been more tactful. Publicly attacking others and our religion in a manner that is just as rude and mocking as you have accused others of being is not the way to “right” a perceived injustice. Do you see the hypocrisy?

umm…and you couldn’t do this with the mocking of Kolob and spirit babies? I never attacked our Catholic faith or the Mormon faith, but I do believe you had a good time with the Mormon faith. Nice try.

You go after someone else’s faith and that is ok but if someone calls you on the carpet for not using Catholic teaching that is not ok do in public? If your willing to go against the teaching of the Church as to how we are to behave with our separate brethren, then you should be willing to be called on it. Talk about hypocrisy

I’m done in here dudes, it’s a strange odd world over here and we have gone way off topic. I’m surpised a moderator hasn’t closed us up.

God Bless, pray for peace

 

[hosemonkey]

Agreed. No mormon, particularly Zerinus, will address or attempt to explain these rather bizarre tenets of mormon belief. The subject gets changed or ignored. I believe that the mormons find these beliefs embarrassing or that perhaps that they are ignorant of them(doubtful). They respond with counter-accusations or with a “tis so-taint so” argument. Can’t pin 'em down.

 

[hosemonkey]

umm…and you couldn’t do this with the mocking of Kolob and spirit babies? I never attacked our Catholic faith or the Mormon faith, but I do believe you had a good time with the Mormon faith. Nice try.

You go after someone else’s faith and that is ok but if someone calls you on the carpet for not using Catholic teaching that is not ok do in public? If your willing to go against the teaching of the Church as to how we are to behave with our separate brethren, then you should be willing to be called on it. Talk about hypocrisy

I’m done in here dudes, it’s a strange odd world over here and we have gone way off topic. I’m surpised a moderator hasn’t closed us up.

God Bless, pray for peace

Bye!

 

[twosweetgirls]

Would anyone like to share my Brach’s Malted Milk Balls? They’re really good. . .

 

[zerinus]

It was the tactics and unfortunately my spelling caused some confusion. I saw that your faith was being mocked plain and simple.

The reason why they act in this way is because they have lost the argument against LDS. If they had any valid arguments to bring against LDS, they would. It is a tacit admission of defeat. They don’t have a valid argument to bring against LDS, so they resort to playground bullying tactics in the hope of wining the day. But it never works. It always rebounds back on them. Sad!

zerinus

 

[Eden]

umm…and you couldn’t do this with the mocking of Kolob and spirit babies?

Kolob and spirit babies do not exist. This is the fanciful imagination of Joseph Smith at work and millions of people have been led into this deception. These beliefs deserve to be questioned. Period.

I never attacked our Catholic faith or the Mormon faith, but I do believe you had a good time with the Mormon faith. Nice try.

Referring to the Inquisition is just as much an attack on the Catholic Church as would be referring to priests as pedophiles.
It’s a cliche attack on Catholicism, not an intellectual argument.

You go after someone else’s faith

I’m not “going after” his personal faith, I’m questioning tenets of his theology that are disturbing and incompatible with Christian teaching.

and that is ok but if someone calls you on the carpet for not using Catholic teaching that is not ok do in public?

This expression “call you on the carpet” or “calling you out” (as you have used in the past) is Jerry Springer talk. What I’m referring to your public personal attacks on me. I would not characterize them as “calling one out”. If you felt that my exchanges with Zerinus were rude, I would have had much more respect for your opinion if you would have sent me a PM. Further, you have in no way illustrated how I have not used Catholic teaching. You simply have deemed me rude.

But take this Catholic apologetic work found in the Catholic Answers library:

“The Wacky World of Joseph Smith And the un-Christianity of Mormon Theology” By Fr. Brian Harrison

catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0305fea4.asp

Do you find this title to be rude? It’s written by a Catholic priest. What you perceive as rude, I perceive as honest.

If your willing to go against the teaching of the Church as to how we are to behave with our separate brethren, then you should be willing to be called on it.

You still haven’t clarified how I have gone against the teaching of the Church. Just a point to note, I don’t believe Mormons fall under the category of “separated brethren”, as they are not Christian. Certainly, they fall under the category of fellow man, but “separated brethren” refers specifically to Christians.

See here:

**Q: I read recently that the Catholic Church had rejected Mormon baptism, since their view of Christ and the Trinity is so unusual. But I have to ask: Are Mormons considered separated brothers and sisters? While their views are strange to say the least, they are still separated, and we should reach out to them. If we view them as something other than separated, doesn’t that exclude ecumenism? I know that many view them as a cult, but aren’t cult members separated as well? **

A: The reason Mormons are not considered separated brethren is not because they aren’t “separated” from the Church-they are-but they aren’t “brethren” in the sense required.

The phrase *separated brethren *refers to those who, though separated from full communion with the Catholic Church, have been justified through baptism and are thus brethren in Christ. The Decree on Ecumenism (Unitatis Redintegratio) of Vatican II teaches that “all who have been justified by faith in baptism are members of Christ’s body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church.”

Because Mormonism is polytheistic and rejects the Trinity, Mormon baptism is not valid, and Mormons are not considered separated brethren. For the same reason, outreach to them, while certainly a good thing, is not ecumenism, though it can include dialogue and social cooperation as well as efforts to evangelize them.

catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0210qq.asp

Talk about hypocrisy

Yes, I have. That’s correct.

I’m done in here dudes, it’s a strange odd world over here and we have gone way off topic. I’m surpised a moderator hasn’t closed us up.

 

[Eden]

The reason why they act in this way is because they have lost the argument against LDS. If they had any valid arguments to bring against LDS, they would. It is a tacit admission of defeat. They don’t have a valid argument to bring against LDS, so they resort to playground bullying tactics in the hope of wining the day. But it never works. It always rebounds back on them. Sad!

zerinus

Since Kolob, spirit babies and men becoming gods are topics that no Mormon will broach here.

How about these?

Who is it that will make his children into gods?

Why is there next to nothing written about the woman of like glory, perfection, and holiness to god from this couple who made you as their spirit baby?

Why is there no reference to the plurality of gods in the BoM, but in the later Book of Abraham there is?

Do you realize that the theology that God the Father and God the Son were two different “personages” (two gods) is considered heretical in all of Christianity?