Mostly I want to complete what I said I could offer. I will quote Mourett.
Athanasius (and Schaff) both speak of the detection of “whispering and winking” among the Arians when these scriptural definitions were proposed. And how this indicated that these scriptural definitions must be rejected as to ensure the Arian belief was excluded. I might add here that
You seemed to doubt my account of Nicea, when you ask if I was an eyewitness. No, but I had read about it in multiple sources. It is frequently mentioned in the history of the council.
I am saying that the linkage or God the Father called “light” and God the Son called “light” into homoousian is extraordinarily weak and should not be considered to be scriptural defense for the term “homoousian.” By this reason we are “homoousian” with the Father because scripture says we are to be “light” too.
LDS Church teaches of one “true churxh”, it is one of the constant creeds of the LDS…
a definition at nicea that was comprised of scriptural language was proposed, but it was rejected because it would not allow arians to be excluded from the church.marie5890;14148269 said:(copied and pasted from a post from 2012. Not sure where the idea that the nicene creed is not scriptural.Credit to paul saltzman)
"since the nicene creed is the basic statement of faith for historical christianity, i thought it would be helpful to include the text of the creed along with corresponding scripture references in order to show its thoroughly scriptural basis:
I believe in one god, (mark 12:29, 12:32, ephesians 4:6)
the father almighty, (2 corinthians 6:18)
maker of heaven and earth, (genesis 1:1, revelation 4:11)
of all things visible and invisible. (colossians 1:16, hebrews 11:3)
i believe in one lord jesus christ, (1 corinthians 8:6, ephesians 4:5)
the only begotten son of god, (john 3:16)
born of the father before all ages. (colossians 1:15, 1:17)
god from god (john 1:1-2), light from light, (john 1:4, 1:9, 2 corinthians 4:6, hebrews 1:3)
true god from true god, (1 john 5:20)
begotten, not made (john 1:18), consubstantial with the father (cf. 1 john 1:5 & john 1:4, 1:9);
through him all things were made (john 1:3, 1:10, colossians 1:16, 1 corinthians 8:6, romans 11:36, hebrews 1:10).
For us men and for our salvation (matthew 1:21, 1 thessalonians 5:9, colossians 1:13-14)
he came down from heaven, (john 3:13, 3:31, 6:38)
and by the holy spirit was incarnate of the virgin mary (luke 1:34-35),
and became man (john 1:14, hebrews 2:14).
For our sake he was crucified (1 peter 2:24) under pontius pilate (mark 15:15),
he suffered death (matthew 27:50) and was buried, (matthew 27:59-60)
and rose again on the third day (mark 9:31, 16:9, acts 10:40)
in accordance with the scriptures (luke 24:45-46, 1 corinthians 15:3-4).
He ascended into heaven (acts 1:9)
and is seated at the right hand of the father (mark 16:19, luke 22:69).
He will come again in glory (mark 13:26, john 14:3, 1 thessalonians 4:17)
to judge the living and the dead (matthew 16:27, 2 corinthians 5:10, 2 timothy 4:1, 1 peter 4:5)
and his kingdom will have no end (hebrews 1:8, 2 peter 1:11).
I believe in the holy spirit (acts 1:8), the lord, the giver of life, (john 6:63, 2 corinthians 3:6)
who proceeds from the father (john 15:26) and the son (john 16:7),
who with the father and the son is adored and glorified, (2 corinthians 3:8)
who has spoken through the prophets (1 peter 1:10-11, ephesians 3:5).
I believe in one (ephesians 4:4), holy (ephesians 1:4, 5:27), catholic (matthew 28:19, acts 1:8) and apostolic (ephesians 2:20) church (matthew 16:18, romans 12:4-5, 1 corinthians 10:17).
I confess one baptism (ephesians 4:5, galatians 3:27, 1 corinthians 12:13) for the forgiveness of sins (colossians 2:12-13, acts 22:16)
and i look forward to the resurrection of the dead (romans 6:4-5, 1 thessalonians 4:16)
and the life of the world to come (2 peter 3:13, revelation 21:1). Amen."
He sent humans (apostles, disciples, etc) AND the Spirit. You need both.
There are thousands and thousands of different faiths out there, Christian and not, many whom claim to be the One True Way. Do you believe them all to be Hellhound?
Jesus Christ did not leave us alone as individuals and he did not leave us scripture. He left us the Catholic Church. And the Church had not decided on a canon of scripture at the time of the Nicaea. I have also read that the Bishops hoped to use scripture, but I can’t imagine what that might have been.
Who did Paul receive his revelation from?
From God. I have already talked about this extensively.
Yes, and Paul never once suggested that divine revelation would continue after his time, in fact he warned against believing a different gospel preached than the one he received and passed on.
They first appeared in a letter Joseph Smith wrote to John Wentworth in 1842. In 1880, the Brighamite Mormons declared them to be scripture. They were not considered scripture by Joseph Smith, who died in 1844, are not considered scripture by other communities of the latter-day-saint movement.
Yes. All of them in their deviations from the Catholic Apostolic Orthodox faith are directions to hell.
Stephen,
So what does the LDS church consider to the the correctly translated version of the Bible? (I’ve only started reading this thread, so I apologize in advance if it has already been answered).
LDS typically use KJV, but other versions are generally ok. Some specific versions, like the Jehovah’s Witness NWT are reject.
So I have been in and out on this thread and if this has already been answered I apologize. so in the bolded in am just trying to understand how you can make the assertion that the Nicene Creed goes beyond scripture. I wouldn’t mind a specific example or two to look at. thanks
This is what they claim:
The poster clearly showed the Nicene Creed had a basis in scripture. It was the same Church that wrote the creed that wrote the scriptures, so it makes sense.
We agree, but you don’t believe? Saids like more sophistry and its not the subject of the thread.
As it was at Nicaea, scripture can help refute Mormonism, but reason does a better job of it.
The word “homoousian” goes beyond scripture.* In the linked posts, I describe what IMO exists in scripture and in the earliest of ECF.* There is a monotheism in scripture and in the ECF, but it is not an absolute metaphysical monotheism (MM) or ontological monotheism (OM).*
I do not think it a “communist plot.”* I saw the claim that the Nicene-Constantinople possessed a “thoroughly* scriptural basis.”* Having read in the past and recently historical accounts of the Council of Nicea by reputable scholars, I knew that the non-scriptural nature of Homoousian was specifically sited by some scholars.* Father Davis said there were 4 difficulties with Homoousian, “Fourthly and importantly for many of the more conservative bishops, the term was not scriptural.”
The thread started with questions about how LDS can be “not creedal” and yet have “The Articles of Faith.” Jane and I both responded that “The Articles of Faith” are scripture for LDS.* They are inspired from God.
Stephen, you should not call me a liar.* I believe what I say here is true and I do not say it with the “intention to deceive.”