The Mormon creed

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I do not think it a “communist plot.”* I saw the claim that the Nicene-Constantinople possessed a “thoroughly* scriptural basis.”* Having read in the past and recently historical accounts of the Council of Nicea by reputable scholars, I knew that the non-scriptural nature of Homoousian was specifically sited by some scholars.* Father Davis said there were 4 difficulties with Homoousian, “Fourthly and importantly for many of the more conservative bishops, the term was not scriptural.”

The thread started with questions about how LDS can be “not creedal” and yet have “The Articles of Faith.” Jane and I both responded that “The Articles of Faith” are scripture for LDS.* They are inspired from God.

One key difference we pointed to was that Catholic Creeds are not from scripture and are not inspired from God.* This is just true except when former Mormon’s try to present Catholicism as if it possesses Revelation for the purpose of leading the church, which of course it does not.

LDS like Christians during the 1st and 2nd centuries believe that God still leads His church by revelation.*** In the 3rd century Catholic Bishops, knowing that they did not receive revelation, declared that God no longer leads His church by revelation and there would not be any more until the second coming of Christ.*** This IMO was a mistake, but it was embraced by all of Christianity.

Stephen, you should not call me a liar.* I believe what I say here is true and I do not say it with the “intention to deceive.”

It is unfortunate that you and Rebecca call me a liar as some type of response to what I offer.* I think you should stop that.

Charity, TOm
You think the bishops just decided this on their own when they weren’t getting revelations anymore? What does Scripture say about it? Surely they consulted Scripture.

How much public revelation was there between 2nd century and early 1800 that you are aware of?
 
You think the bishops just decided this on their own when they weren’t getting revelations anymore? What does Scripture say about it? Surely they consulted Scripture.
Scripture doesn’t say anything about an unchanging God ceasing to give revelation.
 
Scripture doesn’t say anything about an unchanging God ceasing to give revelation.
Actually, if the teaching had to reappear after the church disappeared, it would seem to make St. Paul exhortation to St. Timothy almost meaningless, since contradictory and constantly changing revelation would not allow St. Timothy to know what “sound words” are and who to hear, would it?:

1 Timothy 6

6 Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed. 2 Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful on the ground that they are brethren; rather they must serve all the better since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved.

Teach and urge these duties. 3 If any one teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching which accords with godliness, 4 he is puffed up with conceit, he knows nothing; he has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions, 5 and wrangling among men who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain. 6 There is great gain in godliness with contentment; 7 for we brought nothing into the world, and[a] we cannot take anything out of the world; 8 but if we have food and clothing, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and hurtful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced their hearts with many pangs.

11 But as for you, man of God, shun all this; aim at righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 In the presence of God who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, 14 I charge you to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ; 15 and this will be made manifest at the proper time by the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

17 As for the rich in this world, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on uncertain riches but on God who richly furnishes us with everything to enjoy. 18 They are to do good, to be rich in good deeds, liberal and generous, 19 thus laying up for themselves a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of the life which is life indeed.

20 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid the godless chatter and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge, 21 for by professing it some have missed the mark as regards the faith.

Grace be with you.
 
Actually, if the teaching had to reappear after the church disappeared, it would seem to make St. Paul exhortation to St. Timothy almost meaningless, since contradictory and constantly changing revelation would not allow St. Timothy to know what “sound words” are and who to hear, would it?:

1 Timothy 6…
Nothing in here says an unchanging God ceases to give revelation.
 
Jesus Christ is the fullness of public Revelation. The Revelation of the Word of God is unceasing. What can you say He left out?
Please cite the verse which says “God has now ceased to give revelation”.
 
I said Jesus is the fullness of Revelation, and this Revelation is unceasing.
I know when something is going to be never ceasing people not listening to each other, and I’ll just opt out of this one.
 
jane_doe;14161737**[B said:
Please cite the verse which says/B]/B[/B]]
“God has now ceased to give revelation”.

You’re doing it again jane, on this thread.:eek:
 
You’re doing it again jane, on this thread.:eek:
I’m very thorough in my readings of things, and experience GREAT annoyance when people try to convince me “You should believe X because this book says X” when this book may or may not say X at all. Hence, I ask for people to show me where it actually says X.
 
I’m very thorough in my readings of things, and experience GREAT annoyance when people try to convince me “You should believe X because this book says X” when this book may or may not say X at all. Hence, I ask for people to show me where it actually says X.
And I get equally annoyed when someone asks me to show them a specific phrase in the Bible that says “God is a Spirit” instead of “God is Spirit”, and I show them the EXACT phrase they wanted to see from the Bible, and then they tell me its not good enough. 😦
 
I know when something is going to be never ceasing people not listening to each other, and I’ll just opt out of this one.
Huh?

How do you get from this:
Jesus Christ is the fullness of public Revelation. The Revelation of the Word of God is unceasing. What can you say He left out?
This:
Please cite the verse which says “God has now ceased to give revelation”.
:confused:

Also, it must be clear what exactly Catholics mean why they say that “public Revelation” is complete. Catholics fully believe that God communicates with His Church, His Bride. We believe that the Heavens are open (something Mormons like to claim, as if traditional Christians don’t believe that), and that God, angels, saints, etc. interact with those on earth. Catholic history is literally filled with examples of this, moreso than anything Mormonism could ever dream of.

“Public” Revelation, which is complete, is in reference to the Deposit of Faith. Everything that is necessary for eternal life has already been revealed, and there is nothing else to be revealed. God is not all of a sudden going to come up with new commandments or new sacraments that are required for salvation, because the fullness of Salvation, Jesus Christ, has already been revealed, and what we must do to be saved has already been revealed, most completely in the Person of Jesus Christ.

That is what Catholics are talking about. God hasn’t stopped talking to us. Indeed, if you are at all familiar with Catholicism and Catholic history, you should know that we have numerous examples of people on this earth interacting with the Heavens.
 
🤷 I’m not convinced.
I am not convinced that LDS are all that impressed with God walking the planet, living with us and teaching us himself, but instead are enthralled with the idea of prophets, even though they are spoken of in the past tense.
 
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