The Mormon creed

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JMM1957 said:
So, the Catholic creeds are an “abomination in God’s sight,” according to Joseph Smith, and yet Mormons still say Catholics are Christian?
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It’s more a matter of when Catholics make a statement “We believe x and x” it’s a creed and as such an abomination but when LDS make a statement “We believe x and x” it’s not a creed at all.
 
jane_doe said:
Obviously I’m not a mind reader, but I would venture to guess that you JMM1957, believe that the Catholic Church is Christ’s singular church on this Earth and there is no other. You look at Protestants beliefs (this just an example) and believe that many of their beliefs are anathema: such as denying Christ in the Eucharist, denying of the necessity of the sacraments, denying of the Pope’s authority and the role of the Catholic church has Christ’s bride. These teachings and many others are an admonition in your mind. But you still acknowledge Protestants relation with Christ, that they are Christians, despite their incorrect teaching and lack of communion with Rome.

Likewise LDS acknowledge your relationship with Christ, despite the fact that you have some incorrect beliefs and the fact that we are not in communion. We are acknowledging the Good Christ brings to your beliefs, your actions, etc.

No. Your statement here is VERY false.
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Hello jane,

First of all, your mind reading skills are not that bad, but you still need some practice. 😉 We see the Catholic Church as containing the fullness of Truth revealed by God through His Son Jesus Christ. There are of course other churches that are Christian, but they lack the fullness of Truth though. The list you supplied above are some of the main points of difference between us and Protestantism in general, and I might add another, Apostolic Succession. We view them as Christian basically because we share a common Baptism, and the same understanding of the Godhead, two very key elements. Not that the other things mentioned that they lack, are not important, they certainly are. We share the same creeds with many Protestant’s, worded slightly different maybe, but the same Truth’s in them.

When Joseph Smith called the creeds of mainstream Christianity an “abomination”, he made a distinct break with them.
 
JMM1957 said:
First of all, your mind reading skills are not that bad, but you still need some practice. 😉
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🙂
JMM1957 said:
We view them as Christian basically because we share a common Baptism
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How about those Christian churches which don’t really bother with baptism because they believe it’s a meaningless symbolic gesture anyways?
JMM1957 said:
We share the same creeds with many Protestant’s, worded slightly different maybe, but the same Truth’s in them.
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We, LDS and Catholic and Protestants, share the Bible and the same Truths in there. That is something to be acknowledge and celebrated.
 
jane_doe said:
🙂

**How about those Christian churches which don’t really bother with baptism because they believe it’s a meaningless symbolic gesture anyways? **

We, LDS and Catholic and Protestants, share the Bible and the same Truths in there. That is something to be acknowledge and celebrated.
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Who’s calling them Christian, us or you?
 
jane_doe said:
🙂

How about those Christian churches which don’t really bother with baptism because they believe it’s a meaningless symbolic gesture anyways?

We, LDS and Catholic and Protestants, share the Bible and the same Truths in there. That is something to be acknowledge and celebrated./QUOTE]

John 18:37-38, “For this reason I was born and have come into the world, to testify to the Truth. Everyone who belongs to the Truth listens to My voice.” 38“What is Truth?” Pilate asked."

I will acknowledge our similarities, but I don’t celebrate our differences.
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Tabbernee:
Montanus proclaimed the towns of Pepuza and Tymion in west-central Phrygia as the site of the New Jerusalem, making the larger - Pepuza - his headquarters.
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Joseph Smith:
We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion will be built upon this [American] continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
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Continuing revelation
 
JMM1957 said:
jane, I don’t see any comment on this statement yet.
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I dont repsond to every comment on here (I lack the time), sorry. If you would like to restate the full question, then I’ll address it.
 
jane_doe;14167183**:
I dont repsond to every comment on here (I lack the time), sorry.
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If you would like to restate the full question, then I’ll address it.

Why, what else have you got to do? :rolleyes:
 
jane_doe said:
(Focusing on the most important point)

He sent humans (apostles, disciples, etc) AND the Spirit. You need both.
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Not an answer.

The Spirit was with the humans he sent, which is why they were infallible when they taught. That is why they, the apostles, need the Spirit because the Spirit inspires and enables them to write and teach correctly.

But if the Spirit illuminates you and me directly, then the evangelists are unneeded middlemen. We do not need both.
 
mackbrislawn said:
Not an answer.

The Spirit was with the humans he sent, which is why they were infallible when they taught. That is why they, the apostles, need the Spirit because the Spirit inspires and enables them to write and teach correctly.

But if the Spirit illuminates you and me directly, then the evangelists are unneeded middlemen. We do not need both.
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Except the Spirit does illuminate non-apostles. For example, read the Day of Pentecost.
 
TOmNossor said:
While I see “Authority” as restored in the restoration, I think the recognition of just how involved God is in His Church is of huge importance too. God leads His Church today as He lead His Church/People in the New Testament and Old Testament times.

Is it infallible truth that those who die “with original sin only” are forever denied the Beatific Vision?* It is quite clear that the Bishops at the Council of Florence and Lyons (and also Trent) claimed it was.* They were wrong. **Revelation could have prevented this mistake and if men determined to be men didn’t allow God to distill truth upon them, Public revelation could correct this mistake, but Public Revelation was denied.

I do not believe God restored public revelation so we can debate if God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are homoousian in the generic sense (I believe this) or homoousian in the numeric sense (Augustine believed this).* Important things like how we lead our lives and how God is active in the life of His Church were the reasons for the restoration, IMO.

Charity, TOm
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A skeptic would wonder why God permitted mistakes to be made in the past, and require public revelation in the present to correct those mistakes in the past.

The Mormon Church and the Watchtower Society are correctives to the mistaken Protestant Reformation notion that there is no official interpreter of scripture and Spirit approved institution that can settle religious disputes.

The Mormon Church and the Watchtower Society are like miniature Catholic Churches, with established hierarchies, not at all congregational as are many evangelical and fundamentalist “bible” churches.

Both the Mormons and Jehovah’s witnesses receive what the Mormons call “revelation” and what the JW’s call “new light.” The tremendous advantage this gives them is that old, discredited, or outdated doctrines can be shed like a serpent shedding its skin. The equivalent of this in the Protestant world is splitting off and forming new denominations. The Catholics have to live with their old skins.

The skeptic would also wonder if since God withdrew his protection and priesthood once in the past, maybe he can do it again. Maybe he already has.
 
jane_doe said:
Except the Spirit does illuminate non-apostles. For example, read the Day of Pentecost.
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To join the true Church! And then, from it, learn the Gospel. Sure, the Spirit illuminates non-apostles, basically to tell them what the true Church is. I’m sure the Spirit illuminated you that the Mormon Church as was the true Church, as the Spirit prevented me from thinking so.
 
mackbrislawn said:
To join the true Church! And then, from it, learn the Gospel. Sure, the Spirit illuminates non-apostles, basically to tell them what the true Church is. I’m sure the Spirit illuminated you that the Mormon Church as was the true Church, as the Spirit prevented me from thinking so.
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Then why are you denying this very fact? Wasn’t that the whole start of this conversation?
 
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