The Muslim Soul

[paarsurrey]

Good luck. I asked questions and he told me he wasn’t here to debate!

Hi

I am not here to debate but certainly things could be discussed. You may, sir, if you like ask questions, I may answer if I know the answer othewise I may say I am not a scholar I don’t know the answer or others who know here more than me could answer, it would be sort of a group discussion not a wrestling bout . My answer could be from a verse from the Quran, or a Hadith from the truthful Prophet Muhammad or an excerpt from some book written by the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 or a quote from OTBible or NTBible or an evidence from history not necessarily from the Roman history, it could be anything. I think you won’t put any restrictions in this connection. You are my brother/friend in humanity and we have good relations, that should not get disturbed by our discussion. Love is our asset, and it should remain intact. I think you agree.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

What does God,YWEH, ALLAH require for conversion of the soul?
Hmmmmmm?
Dessert

Hi

I quote here from Quran:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 89: Al-Fajr
[89:16] As for man, when his Lord tries him and honours him and bestows favours on him, he says, ‘My Lord has honoured me.’
[89:17] But when He tries and straitens for him his means of subsistence, he says, ‘My Lord has disgraced me.’
[89:18] Nay, but you honour not the orphan,
[89:19] And urge not one another to feed the poor;
[89:20] And devour the heritage of other people, devouring greedily and wholly;
[89:21] And you love wealth with exceeding love.
[89:22] Hearken! when the earth is completely broken into pieces;
[89:23] And thy Lord comes attended by angels, rank on rank;
[89:24] And Hell is brought near that day; on that day man will remember, but of what avail shall that remembrance be to him?
[89:25] He will say, ‘O, would that I had sent on some good works for my life here!’
[89:26] So on that day none can punish like unto His punishment.
[89:27] And none can bind like unto His binding. **
[89:28] O, thou soul at peace!
[89:29] Return to thy Lord, thou well-pleased with Him and He well-pleased with thee.
[89:30] So enter thou among My chosen servants, **

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I think it answers your question. Isn’t it?

Thanks

 

[Montalban]

Hi

I am not here to debate but certainly things could be discussed. You may, sir, if you like ask questions

That’s not true. I asked you questions in a previous post. Remarkably you answered, but when I asked you more, you declined from responding except to say you’re not here to debate.

Most times you ignore people’s questions.

 

[KimL]

No. The main difference is those in Islam who follow Al-lah are not sure they’ll be in heaven - unless they’re martyrs - the only 100% guaranteed act for salvation.

I dont think anyone is sure they will go to heaven. Christian or Muslim. Just because i believe in Christ; I still fear the unknown and uncertainty.
And all Muslims dont believe they have to be martyrs to go to heaven, my good friend believes prayers and fasting and giving money to the poor is sufficient. I on the other hand believe we need to do good deeds along with the above. And follow Jesus’ teachings and the commandments.

 

[dessert]

Hi

I quote here from Quran:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 89: Al-Fajr
[89:16] As for man, when his Lord tries him and honours him and bestows favours on him, he says, ‘My Lord has honoured me.’
[89:17] But when He tries and straitens for him his means of subsistence, he says, ‘My Lord has disgraced me.’
[89:18] Nay, but you honour not the orphan,
[89:19] And urge not one another to feed the poor;
[89:20] And devour the heritage of other people, devouring greedily and wholly;
[89:21] And you love wealth with exceeding love.
[89:22] Hearken! when the earth is completely broken into pieces;
[89:23] And thy Lord comes attended by angels, rank on rank;
[89:24] And Hell is brought near that day; on that day man will remember, but of what avail shall that remembrance be to him?
[89:25] He will say, ‘O, would that I had sent on some good works for my life here!’
[89:26] So on that day none can punish like unto His punishment.
[89:27] And none can bind like unto His binding. **
[89:28] O, thou soul at peace!
[89:29] Return to thy Lord, thou well-pleased with Him and He well-pleased with thee.
[89:30] So enter thou among My chosen servants, **

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I think it answers your question. Isn’t it?

Thanks

I assumed you would quote from the Qur’an, otherwise I would have asked for the other references but wanted yours.

Why do you make a link to God-YHWH- Allah, and what is this link?

If it is love it has to have the “light” of truth as they have to coexist.

The darkened part in your quote is I assume is your part of the link
or your part about the soul as I asked.

 

[dessert]

Hi

I am not here to debate but certainly things could be discussed. You may, sir, if you like ask questions, I may answer if I know the answer othewise I may say I am not a scholar I don’t know the answer or others who know here more than me could answer, it would be sort of a group discussion not a wrestling bout . My answer could be from a verse from the Quran, or a Hadith from the truthful Prophet Muhammad or an excerpt from some book written by the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 or a quote from OTBible or NTBible or an evidence from history not necessarily from the Roman history, it could be anything. I think you won’t put any restrictions in this connection. You are my brother/friend in humanity and we have good relations, that should not get disturbed by our discussion. Love is our asset, and it should remain intact. I think you agree.

Thanks

How can you link all these things together, underlined? History can be very wrong as it is written by just people, even science has been mis understood and quoted wrong, proven false on occasion.

 

[Booklover]

In that case, there is no difference at all between Christian and Muslim belief in this matter.

Muslims further believe that not even the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had the authority to determine what is morally good or bad.

Do Christians have a similar view with regard to the authority of the Church in deciding what is morally good or bad?

Nonsense! Your whole morality is determined by whatever Muhammad considered good or bad.

“Right and wrong, good and bad are not appraised based on their own merits. Right is what Muhammad said or did and wrong is what he prohibited. In other words Muslims are not to judge Muhammad by norms of morality and commonsense but rather the standards of morality and commonsense are to be measured by Muhammad’s deeds and words.” Ali Sina, in the “Secret of Muhammad’s Success” Here.

Vickie

 

[paarsurrey]

That’s not true. I asked you questions in a previous post. Remarkably you answered, but when I asked you more, you declined from responding except to say you’re not here to debate.

Most times you ignore people’s questions.

Hi

As long as it is a discussion, you would find me there, when it is heading to a debate, I won’t.

The questions, I normally answer, but if there are question on questions, question , questions that is heading for debate, and you know - - - - - -.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

How can you link all these things together, underlined? History can be very wrong as it is written by just people, even science has been mis understood and quoted wrong, proven false on occasion.

Hi

One has to make one’s own search, others could only help in this search. Truth could be found from every brach of knowledge, one has to extract the available data to find the juice of Truth.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

I assumed you would quote from the Qur’an, otherwise I would have asked for the other references but wanted yours.
Why do you make a link to God-YHWH- Allah, and what is this link?
If it is love it has to have the “light” of truth as they have to coexist.
The darkened part in your quote is I assume is your part of the link
or your part about the soul as I asked.

Hi

Now I give an excerpt from PromisedMessiah 1835-1908, translated by me from one of his books.

"Just like it the individual whose heart is uprooted from the love of God, that dryness of sin prevails over him, hence its cure lies in God’s law of nature in three distinct ways:

1. Love
2. Istighfar which means the natural desire to press something or to remain covered and sheltered. As long as a tree has its roots imbedded in earth it hopes to get green again. Compensate, recompense, make up for
3. The third cure is repentance i.e. to suck water of life with utmost humility and to bend towards God and to draw near Him to get respite from the sinful posture by doing appropriate and good works and repentance is not mere with the tongue but the completeness of repentance is with good and appropriate actions. All virtues are done with a desire to complete the repentance as all are done to draw one near God. Praying is also a means of repentance and with it we endeavor nearness to God.

It is for this that God created the spirit in humans and named it soul as its real comfort is affirmation with God and His love and His obedience and that’s why it was named nafus (in Arabic diction nafus means the image of the same thing) and hence it is destined to unite with God. To have connection of heart with God is like a tree in the garden which is steadfastly embedded in the earth. This is what is called heaven of a man. Like a tree that sucks in water from earth and draws water inwards from earth and through it casts out its poisonous fumes, the heart of a human is just like that he sucks in love of God by drawing water and by ousting poisonous substances and gets flourished and with great ease it throws out such hazardous substances and in God it grows and from Him it flourishes and gets its power and spreads and shows its very beautiful greenery and bears good fruits."

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Thanks

 

[dessert]

Hi

Now I give an excerpt from PromisedMessiah 1835-1908, translated by me from one of his books.

"Just like it the individual whose heart is uprooted from the love of God, that dryness of sin prevails over him, hence its cure lies in God’s law of nature in three distinct ways:

1. Love
2. Istighfar which means the natural desire to press something or to remain covered and sheltered. As long as a tree has its roots imbedded in earth it hopes to get green again. Compensate, recompense, make up for
3. The third cure is repentance i.e. to suck water of life with utmost humility and to bend towards God and to draw near Him to get respite from the sinful posture by doing appropriate and good works and repentance is not mere with the tongue but the completeness of repentance is with good and appropriate actions. All virtues are done with a desire to complete the repentance as all are done to draw one near God. Praying is also a means of repentance and with it we endeavor nearness to God.

It is for this that God created the spirit in humans and named it soul as its real comfort is affirmation with God and His love and His obedience and that’s why it was named nafus (in Arabic diction nafus means the image of the same thing) and hence it is destined to unite with God. To have connection of heart with God is like a tree in the garden which is steadfastly embedded in the earth. This is what is called heaven of a man. Like a tree that sucks in water from earth and draws water inwards from earth and through it casts out its poisonous fumes, the heart of a human is just like that he sucks in love of God by drawing water and by ousting poisonous substances and gets flourished and with great ease it throws out such hazardous substances and in God it grows and from Him it flourishes and gets its power and spreads and shows its very beautiful greenery and bears good fruits."

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Thanks

Your quotes and our concepts are a bit different.
Dessert

 

[mommyof4]

Do you think God will have mercy of the Muslim souls (or others) who “dont know any better” or “have been brain washed and ill educated into thinking the wrong thing?”

My personal feelings are HE will forgive those who have been misled and have lived a good life of searching for the truth; but had /has had blocks in their way to find it .

Your Opinions are?

My feelings/thoughts too.

 

[paarsurrey]

How can you link all these things together, underlined? History can be very wrong as it is written by just people, even science has been mis understood and quoted wrong, proven false on occasion.

Hi

Knowledge from Revelation or Word from the mouth of GodAllahYHWH is the most certain source of knowledge the humans could have, others are supportive it as truth in every branch of knowledge would be supportive of it, so that is the reason they could be unltimately linked together.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

Your quotes and our concepts are a bit different.
Dessert

Hi

That is why we are discussiong here. I we did not have any differences, then there was no need of any discussion. You only have to pick up what is absolutely truth, no compulsion. If my quote and argument appeal your mind and heart, you can have it otherwise you are excused.

Thanks

 

[dolphinlove]

Hi

That is why we are discussiong here. I we did not have any differences, then there was no need of any discussion. You only have to pick up what is absolutely truth, no compulsion. If my quote and argument appeal your mind and heart, you can have it otherwise you are excused.

Thanks

Paarsurrey,
What would you define as discussing and what would you define as debating?
If someone asks you a question, and you give an answer, and they come back with another question, do you consider this debating or discussing?

 

[Montalban]

Hi

As long as it is a discussion, you would find me there, when it is heading to a debate, I won’t.

The questions, I normally answer, but if there are question on questions, question , questions that is heading for debate, and you know - - - - - -.

Thanks

That’s false. Sorry to debate you on this. You state something and I ask you a question, then you reply and I ask you another question THIS IS NOT A DEBATE

A debate is when I take up a position contrary to yours.

Yes it is
No it isn’t
Yes it is

mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm

 

[paarsurrey]

That’s false. Sorry to debate you on this. You state something and I ask you a question, then you reply and I ask you another question THIS IS NOT A DEBATE
A debate is when I take up a position contrary to yours.
Yes it is
No it isn’t
Yes it is
mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm

Hi
Sir, I think, you have perhaps not read my post with full attention.
I said:

You may, sir, if you like ask questions, I may answer if I know the answer

I would request you to ask a question that you should not need to ask supplementary questions.

I think that might create a good working relationship.

Thanks

 

[Montalban]

Hi
Sir, I think, you have perhaps not read my post with full attention.
I said:

I would request you to ask a question that you should not need to ask supplementary questions.

I think that might create a good working relationship.

Thanks

But sometimes people need clarification. I did indeed read your post. What you call ‘discussion’ then becomes a relationship of parent-child with you instructing me. You’ve obviously come to the wrong fora.

 

[dessert]

Hi

Knowledge from Revelation or Word from the mouth of GodAllahYHWH is the most certain source of knowledge the humans could have, others are supportive it as truth in every branch of knowledge would be supportive of it, so that is the reason they could be unltimately linked together.

Thanks

Yes I somewhat support this concept but, it appears you re trying to write or born a new "religion " from this thesis?

This isn’t really neccessary. Or do you think there is false in all that you have to" extract " the truth from each one?

As your example the juice from the fruit of the tree?

And discard the seeds? No they have a purpose too, but this is aninteresting topic as I do like science.
That fumous waste you know is put on our fields to nourish the next crop ugh nitrogen it stinks but look what it can do.
thanks for your reply.

Dessert; Put a little vanilla ice cream on that

 

[paarsurrey]

Yes I somewhat support this concept but, it appears you re trying to write or born a new "religion " from this thesis?

Hi

I don’t have to start a new religion, this has always been true, starting from Noah. When GodAllahYHWH spoke to him, he had no doubt that GodAllahYHWH was speaking to him, that is why he obeyed the message. He prepared the Arch as commanded by GodAllahYHWH, though people ridiculed him. Noah knew that he was true path, from what source, the source of Word of Revelation from GodAllahYHWH. I am presenting before you what is already in the Revealed Books. Isn’t it? I think you now agree with me.

Thanks