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Was that necessary to refer to me personally with being funny? Anyone could see a personal attack in that statement.are you being funny again?
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Ben_Masada
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Any good book of Grammar can be a source document.
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**The stone was removed by Joseph of Arimathea and his helpers, including Dr. Nicodemus with about 100 pounds of medication to help Joseph with Jesus’ treatment. There were no guards at the site and the stone was never sealed because it makes no sense. It serves only to increase the contradictions of the NT. There were no 3 days and 3 nights. That’s a blunder of Matthew’s. He was too busy looking for prophecies in the Tanach to document Jesus with, and found the one in Jonas and sticked it in. It didn’t work though. In less than 24 hours the tomb was officially empty.
No, your Lord was not strong at all to walk away, especially after his ordeal at the cross. He was carried away by the men of Joseph and Nicodemus. Yes, I remember to have said that he was not God. And he was not. He was a Jew just like any other.**
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**This is a classic antisemitic statement. I am almost 100 percent sure that it came out of the lips of Paul, and was put down by the Gentile disciple of his who wrote the gospel of Matthew. Jesus could have never offended his colleagues in that manner. He would have broken the Golden Rule of not doing unto others what we would not like they did unto us. Therefore, you could no longer claim that he was sinless. And why Paul? Because he always had a grudge against the Jewish authorities, especially the Pharisees for having never allowed him to build a church in Israeli soil. **
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Ben_Masada
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You provoked me. I know that the truth sometimes does sound arrogant, especially to those who can’t stand reality.
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Kaninchen
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Didn’t Middle Eastern Goddesses, like Inanna and Ishtar, have a habit of disappearing into the underworld for three days and nights before resurrecting?
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Ben_Masada
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Do you know something Kaninchen? I have read something like that about Lilit, a Middle Eastern female demon that would disappear into the wilderness for about three days and three night until her next mischief. That’s an interesting observation. Now, I am left wondering about the connection here with the tale of the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40.
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Kaninchen
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The ‘descent into the underworld’ was a common theme in Sumerian/Babylonian/Canaanite religion - the Goddess has to face up to all her fears, emotions and weaknesses before she can become the transcendent ‘Great Goddess’.
[Lilith turns up in the story of the Sumerian ‘Great Goddess’ Inanna and the Huluppu tree, by the way, as a ‘fair’ but ‘wild’ maid side of the young goddess that has to be overcome before she can reach adulthood - she’s driven away into the wilderness. I expect our traditions about Lilit are echoes of the ‘folk lore’ of very early days.]
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planten
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Yes, that is true, in the bibleNT The water and blood spurted out of the wound. We also know that blood does not gush out of a dead person due to cogulation. So Jesus was alive when the spear was thurst into his side. Most likely.
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Spirithound
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Most grammar books do not talk about the actions open to the Omnipotent Being. I want a source that says “to raise” requires physical hands-on action.
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**Sorry pal, but how do you explain the massive Jewish influence in the winning side of Nobel Prizes? Visit any University, the Jewish representation in the Faculty of Professors is alarming. Go to any hospital, the best Doctors are Jewish. And usually they are enormously represented. Look at the size of a Spilberg in Hollywood. Is it by accident that he is Jewish? Einstein, Freud, and if you keep on the search, you won’t finish. Since we are talking about religion, look at the giant religion Paul built. If he had not been Jewish, Christianity perhaps would not be better than a backward little cult in an unnown village somewhere in a third country. I am sorry if it seems to you arrogance, but don’t you think it would be much easier to acknowledge a little credit to whom the credit is due? **
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SteveLohr
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Ben-I believe Jharak was saying that “The Jews are God’s chosen people but the Bible makes it plain they were not chosen because of any innate personal superiorty” of Jews over Gentiles. (emphasis added). I (and Jharak, it appears) believe the dominance the Jews have in a wide variety of disciplines is because they are God’s chosen people. Not that they are any better than Gentiles in and of themselves. They have God’s help.
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Bill_Pick
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Ben Why do you say this is a personal attack,the story of the three little pigs is not a attack,so why is your story a attack . Maybe He was “rising” by His Father,after He was “crucified” a guard was left at the tome
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I never said I was perfect. I am far from it. It was an unnecessary sarcastic remark for which I apologize. I should have just asked what leligious meant. I realize now, that you meant religious. I think both our communications will benefit from using more courtesy. What is hard is not to respond in kind when others do not. You are also correct when you said you can be to sensitive. An even balance, is a good thing.
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estesbob
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I have read you posts with great interest. It must be very dfficult for you to have to deal with people not quite on your intelectual level and I appreciate you trying to dumb down your responses for those of us not fortunate to have been as gifted as you.
I think one could summarize your assertions as follows:
- You know Jesus did not rise from the dead because you found one word in scripture that proves it beyond the shadow of a doubt.
- Jesus did not die on the cross , he merely fainted. Your basis for this claim is that since you know from your personal interpretation of one word of Scripture that he could not have risen from the dead he could not have died on the cross depsite the eyewitness accounts to the contrary.
- Jesus was just one of thousands of Jews crucified but the only one who lived through it appraently being fortunate enough to have inept Legionaires doing the job(who still, depite their ineptness , managed to kill the other two he was crucified with).
- We need to accept your pronouncement as gospel (pun intended) becuase you are one of the chosen people. You know that Jews are the chosen people because they have won gobs of Nobel prizes(does that make Al Gore a Jew?) and makes really neat movies.
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If we need to raise something from somewhere, isn’t obvious that it requires a physical hands-on action? Therefore, the source is Logic. To rise no, there is no hands-on action. The sun, for example, rises; it is not raised. If Jesus had really resurrected, he would have risen and not been raised. To rise is inherent in the agent; to be raised, the action is remote from the agent.
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Since the question hasn’t been answered, I will ask again. Where does the information come from that Nicodemus was a doctor? The three days and three nights have been explained. Are you saying it was not the custom of the Jews to count a part of a day as a full day? Jesus was on the cross for six hours not four. Although some took days to die that was not always the case. Death by crucifixion was anywhere from six hours to four days. Jesus died at three in the afternoon. Twenty four hours later is 3 Saturday afternoon. Sunday morning is when Jesus resurrected that would be more than 24 hours. It was according to the way they figured days was that even a part was considered as one. That means Friday would be one day, Saturday two and Sunday three. So no blunder.
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