The Mystery Of The Empty Tomb

[Ben_Masada]

No, no, no, no!

The priests sought to kill him because he claimed he was the Son of God, making himself equal to God.

However, the reason for his verdict to be crucified was political: The claim to be King. The claim to be God was never made by Jesus but by Paul. And for this, Paul was almost killed.

 

[system]

כל כך הרבה שנאה כנגד האמת, הבן שלי. אבל כאשר אתה מבין את זה, מה אתה מגן נפלא יהיה.

 

[Ben_Masada]

כל כך הרבה שנאה כנגד האמת, הבן שלי. אבל כאשר אתה מבין את זה, מה אתה מגן נפלא יהיה.

**What’s the matter, you don’t know English? My message is for everyone in the Forum
and not for your eyes only. Jews don’t labour against the Truth. If you don’t have any idea
what the truth is, check John 17:17. Jesus himself said that the truth is the Word of God.
Then, if you check Psalm 147:19,20, the Psalmist says that the Word of God was given to Israel only and to no other people on earth. Therefore, if you think that what you teach is the truth, you must submit it to the test of Isaiah 8:20. “To the Law and the Testimony;
if they don’t speak according to this pattern, it’s because there is no light in them.” By the Law, we understand to be the Torah. By the Testimony, we understand the Prophets and the rest of the Tanach. **

 

[Newbie2]

So Ben, when is your historical fiction novel coming out? You have a talent for historical fictional writing, friend. Why not take advantage of it?

 

[Lapell]

Believe me Lapell, if I ever became 100 percent sure that the gospel writers were Jewish, I would leave Judaism. If they had been Jewish, it would mean the collapse of Judaism.

You wouldn’t need to. Orthodox Jews don’t have to mingle with the Reform or the Conservative Jews, or do they?

 

[Lapell]

**Not so fast! I do have the evidences to show that Paul was NOT a Nazarene. But first, why did the Jewish Attorney Tertullius connect him as a ringleader of the Nazarenes?

It happens that, 14 years prior to this present arrest, which ended with Paul in Court, he had returned from Damascus, where he had spent three years spreading his weed. (Gal. 1:17,18)

He arrived in Jerusalem trying to join the Sect of the Nazarenes because his best friend of youth, Barnabas, was a VIP member of the Sect.

At first, the Apostles did not believe him and were afraid of him because of his history as persecutor of the Nazarenes. But Barnabas mediated for him to be accepted, and he was allowed on a trial basis. Perhaps monitored by Barnabas. (Acts 9:27)

Who could monitor Paul? Within 15 days he wreaked such a havoc in Jerusalem that the local Jews were on an uproar to arrest him to bring him to trial for preaching apostasy in Jerusalem. Paul was preaching about Jesus as Christ, son of God, and that he had resurrected. (Gal. 1:18)

Since he had been allowed to stay in Jerusalem in connection with the Nazarene headquarters, James and the Elders were afraid he would get the whole Sect in trouble with meanstream Judaism, they took him down to Caesarea, and from there, back to Tarsus where he belonged. (Acts 9:30)

Now, 14 years afterwards, he was back, and got arrested in the Temple and taken to the Sanhedrin. (Gal. 2:1) Tertullius had never met Paul, but from hearsay about what he had done 14 years ago, and that he had escaped Justice with the help of James and the Elders of the Nazarenes, he just found convenient to connect him as a ringleader of the Nazarenes. (Acts 24:5) But the truth is that the only time Paul was connected with the Nazarenes was during those 15 days 14 years ago. (Acts 9:28-31) **

Oh no, you don’t! You DON’T have solid evidence that the “Nazarenes” were not the same people as the “Christians”. They existed way before they were called Christians in Antioch. just like the Jews who were Judeans before…
Saul (his name was not Paul then yet) was brought back to Tarse because his life was threatened when he preached Jesus. He must have been quite an important man in Judaism, unlike the Apostles who were not notables. He studied with Gamaliel… nothing of the kind was said of any Apostle, as far as I know!

 

[Lapell]

Also, Stephen too wrecked quite a havoc when he preached Jesus, remember? Was he not a Nazarene?

 

[Lapell]

**What’s the matter, you don’t know English? My message is for everyone in the Forum
and not for your eyes only. Jews don’t labour against the Truth. If you don’t have any idea
what the truth is, check John 17:17. Jesus himself said that the truth is the Word of God.
Then, if you check Psalm 147:19,20, the Psalmist says that the Word of God was given to Israel only and to no other people on earth. Therefore, if you think that what you teach is the truth, you must submit it to the test of Isaiah 8:20. “To the Law and the Testimony;
if they don’t speak according to this pattern, it’s because there is no light in them.” By the Law, we understand to be the Torah. By the Testimony, we understand the Prophets and the rest of the Tanach. **

That the Word of God is Truth… it’s not exactly the same thing, Y.

 

[Lapell]

**What’s the matter, you don’t know English? My message is for everyone in the Forum
and not for your eyes only. Jews don’t labour against the Truth. **

Then why did you at times make me say things that I haven’t said at all? Or you were just misunderstanding what I actually was saying then… Misunderstandings happen, don’t they? And sometimes if not resolved they can even lead to break-ups or even plain war… as physical as strategic and psychological.

 

[Lapell]

However, the reason for his verdict to be crucified was political: The claim to be King. The claim to be God was never made by Jesus but by Paul. And for this, Paul was almost killed.

And when Jesus refered to Himself as the Son of Man coming at the right hand of God the Father on a cloud, why did the High priest conclude he was uttering a blasphemy. On this they were quite unanimous, thank you!
…Who knows if we would not have reacted the same way had we been there? It would have been shocking to most people of any people, even the Greeks!

 

[Ben_Masada]

So Ben, when is your historical fiction novel coming out? You have a talent for historical fictional writing, friend. Why not take advantage of it?

After you all give Truth a chance.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Oh no, you don’t! You DON’T have solid evidence that the “Nazarenes” were not the same people as the “Christians”. They existed way before they were called Christians in Antioch. just like the Jews who were Judeans before…
Saul (his name was not Paul then yet) was brought back to Tarse because his life was threatened when he preached Jesus. He must have been quite an important man in Judaism, unlike the Apostles who were not notables. He studied with Gamaliel… nothing of the kind was said of any Apostle, as far as I know!

Who said that Paul studied with Gamaliel, Paul himself? But of course! Paul had a terrible habit to lie his head off.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Also, Stephen too wrecked quite a havoc when he preached Jesus, remember? Was he not a Nazarene?

This Stephen and his execution never happened. Why would the Sanhedrin condemn him to stoning for preaching about Jesus and coexist peacefully with Jesus’ Apostles and the Nazarenes in general in Jerusalem? The Nazarenes even had Pharisees in their Committee in Jerusalem. (Acts 15:5) If Stephen did happen, I do believe he was a Nazarene and was murdered by rival gangs. Besides, he never preached about Jesus as Paul did. Those things in his final speech were later interpolations. Anyway, no one prior to execution was ever given the chance to such a long speech. Fabrications therefore.

 

[Lapell]

Who said that Paul studied with Gamaliel, Paul himself? But of course! Paul had a terrible habit to lie his head off.

How are YOU so sure of this? You used a time machine? You witnessed it yourself?
Sounds like a second-hand slander to me… if you are of the People of God, you should be more merciful even about the people you are talking about, shouldn’t you…

 

[Lapell]

**This Stephen and his execution never happened. Why would the Sanhedrin condemn him to stoning for preaching about Jesus and coexist peacefully with Jesus’ Apostles and the Nazarenes in general in Jerusalem? The Nazarenes even had Pharisees in their Committee in Jerusalem. (Acts 15:5) **

Why? Simply because they would consider what he said about seeing Jesus at the right hand of God to be a blasphemy.
As for the “Nazarenes” having Pharisees in their ranks, why not? For one, Saul/Paul was one…

 

[Lapell]

** If Stephen did happen, I do believe he was a Nazarene and was murdered by rival gangs. Besides, he never preached about Jesus as Paul did. Those things in his final speech were later interpolations. Anyway, no one prior to execution was ever given the chance to such a long speech. Fabrications therefore.**

I don’t know Stephen’s preaching the way it appears in Acts 7 to look otherwise than the way he actually preached. What do you exactly mean by “he never preached about Jesus as Paul did” ? He was stoned nevertheless…
And why do you say the members of the Sanhedrin could not stone Stephen? Do you think that they were unable of a thing like that, just like you seem to think we would believe it impossible for the popes and the bishops to sin?

 

[Ben_Masada]

How are YOU so sure of this? You used a time machine? You witnessed it yourself?
Sounds like a second-hand slander to me… if you are of the People of God, you should be more merciful even about the people you are talking about, shouldn’t you…

**I didn’t have to use a time machine to travel back in time and catch Paul lying. I know how to read.

Fourteen years after his first visit to Jerusalem with the intent to join the Sect of the Nazarenes, he had wreaked a bitter havoc among the Jews, preaching that Jesus was the Messiah, son of God, and that he had resurrected. For this, he was almost arrested and brought to trial if James and the Elders had not sent him back to Tarsus where he belonged.

Now, he was back, and James, afraid he caused trouble again, proposed him to camouflage as an observant Jew in the Temple by joining 4 Jews who had a vow to fulfill. He accepted the plan, knowing very well that it was a lie. So, he was a liar.

But since God is not to mock, he was recognized by some Jews from Asia and was arrested on charges that he was teaching the Jews to abandon Moses, to stop circumcising their children and to renounce the Jewish customs. (Acts 21:21)

He was taken to the Sanhedrin and, when asked why he had been arrested, he said that it was for his hope in the resurrection. That’s another lie in the same chapter (Acts 21) and he new it very well. There are a few others, but for a man in his rank as founder of a religion, these two lies are enough to classify him as a liar.**

 

[Ben_Masada]

Why? Simply because they would consider what he said about seeing Jesus at the right hand of God to be a blasphemy.
As for the “Nazarenes” having Pharisees in their ranks, why not? For one, Saul/Paul was one…

**Paul was never a Pharisee. That’s another lie of his. The Sect of the Pharisees would never accept Hellenistic Jews. Paul was a Hellenistic Jew from the Greek city of Tarsus, then a Roman province.

And for the case of Stephen seeying Jesus at the right hand of God yes, it would be a blasphemy; but he never said that. He was a Nazarene Jew. The Nazarenes did not know anything of that sort about Jesus for another 15 years when Paul would start preaching his own gospel.**

 

[Ben_Masada]

I don’t know Stephen’s preaching the way it appears in Acts 7 to look otherwise than the way he actually preached. What do you exactly mean by “he never preached about Jesus as Paul did” ? He was stoned nevertheless…
And why do you say the members of the Sanhedrin could not stone Stephen? Do you think that they were unable of a thing like that, just like you seem to think we would believe it impossible for the popes and the bishops to sin?

Stephen could have never preached what Paul used to, because Paul had not started his ministry yet. Paul was a lad about 15 years old when Stephen was allegedly executed. It would take another 15 years for Paul to start preaching his gospel. Therefore, those things in the speech of Stephen were interpolations either by Luke to enhance Paul or by the Church during the centuries of pious forgeries.

 

[Lapell]

**I didn’t have to use a time machine to travel back in time and catch Paul lying. I know how to read.

Fourteen years after his first visit to Jerusalem with the intent to join the Sect of the Nazarenes, he had wreaked a bitter havoc among the Jews, preaching that Jesus was the Messiah, son of God, and that he had resurrected. For this, he was almost arrested and brought to trial if James and the Elders had not sent him back to Tarsus where he belonged.

Now, he was back, and James, afraid he caused trouble again, proposed him to camouflage as an observant Jew in the Temple by joining 4 Jews who had a vow to fulfill. He accepted the plan, knowing very well that it was a lie. So, he was a liar.**

The disciples of Jesus of Nazareth of Jewish origin were still attending the synagogues and the Temple of Jerusalem at first, like the real Jews they still were then. (They were officially banned everywhere in 95 AD (or C.E.) but may have been expelled from certain synagogues way before that) So Paul did not have to pose as an observant Jew, for he was! So, no lie there!