The Nature of Jesus? Divine?

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The second person of the holy trinity only had a divine nature…the human nature did not join the divine nature until the incarnation.
 
And once it did so, it remained and will remain so for eternity. (IOW, the human nature of Christ wasn’t something that He ‘put on’ for 33 years, put off at the Crucifixion, and now has gone ‘back’ to simply having the divine nature only.)
 
Christ had a perfect human nature. Jesus took on human nature without ever ceasing to be God. Therefore Jesus had a perfect divine nature too.

True God and True man. The Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us
 
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Thank you. Another question: what is meant by a perfect human nature? Perhaps sinless although able to be tempted? I thought by definition that human nature is imperfect. Or is it believed it was perfect before the Fall? And if this is what Christians believe, then why did the Fall occur? A lot of questions, I realize.
 
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what is a perfect human nature?
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Sinless. Adam and Eve were perfect before the fall.
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I thought by definition that human nature is imperfect.
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It is now, for we are inheritors of original sin and have sin deeply integrated in us by our own faults.
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And if this is what Christians believe, then why did the Fall occur?
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Pride. Adam and Eve’s pride got to them and they wanted to be worshiped and have the power like God.
 
Thank you. I guess then that pride and wanting to be worshiped is not regarded as sinful? Or did Adam and Eve become prideful and thus sinful, and, if so, how did this happen if they were perfect? Come to think of it, how did Lucifer become prideful if he was an angel?
 
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I guess then that pride and wanting to be worshiped is not regarded as sinful?
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No, it is very sinful! Pride is the root of all sin. Wanting to be worshiped is pride, greed, idolatry to the people who worship you, and much more grave sins. That’s why Adam and Eve got kicked out of paradise.
 
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Or did Adam and Eve become prideful and thus sinful, and, if so, how do this happen if they were perfect? Come to think of it, how did Lucifer become prideful if he was an angel?
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They were tempted by satan and fell prey to his lies. Both Angels and us humans have free will which makes us well, free. We have freedom to chose what to do an what not to do. Adam, Eve, and satan made the wrong choice. A terrible one that has hurt all humanity.
 
So their human nature was NOT perfect if they were tempted by pride and succumbed.
 
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So their human nature was NOT perfect if they were tempted by pride and succumbed.
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No, they simply had a free will to do as they please. They were indeed perfect, but imperfection tempted them, something they were not used to, nor familiar with. satan tempted them and they had a choice, do the right thing, or wrong thing. They picked the most terrible thing to do and sinned greatly.
 
Behold, even Christ our God has been tempted. Temptation isn’t sin, it is when we accept the sin itself. It’s like being on a diet and you are temped to eat Burger King. Have you eaten Burger King yet? No you haven’t, so you are still on track and on your diet. It’s when you actually eat the burger itself, you are ruining your diet.
 
I can’t speak for those events in that garden and that snake and those first humans. Or the fall etc. I do know that even if there had not been those events, Jesus would still have become the Word Incarnated. Jesus would still have been born into this world. Even without Adam and Eve tasting that fruit.

Jesus was born without the stain of sin, like Mary.

Christology is the centrality of Jesus, central to our Church.
There is low Christology and high Christology.

The perfect human nature of Jesus is found in low Christology. And the Gospel of Mark talks to low Christology.
Here in this Gospel we see Jesus as a man, He has a human nature. Jesus has emotions, anger, sadness, joy, duty and obedience, loneliness, grief. And Jesus truly suffers in Mark. We have a real human suffering Jesus. And a Jesus who can at times fail in His teaching. People don’t understand Jesus, people leave Him, etc. The Gospel of Mark addresses Jesus as a Man, a Martyr, and asks the question why did this Man have to die. Mark wrote his Gospel at a time of persecution of Christians. That was his Gospel audience
Compare this with the Gospel of John, which is describing high Christology, the divine nature of Jesus.

@CRM_Brother would be able to address things much clearer.
 
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What I understand from this is that human nature is perfect in the sense that it offers us the free will to do good or evil. It is not the same as perfect divine nature. Angels also have this free will according to Christian belief, and that is why some of them (Lucifer especially) revolted against G-d. Further, since you state that sin after the Fall is now ingrained within us, do we have more of a tendency to choose evil as opposed to good compared to Adam and Eve?

Final question: did Jesus have a perfect human nature in the same sense as Adam and Eve before the Fall? That is, could He be tempted and could He succumb to temptation?

Thanks again for your informative replies.
 
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Have no fear, your explanation is quite clear. Thank you for all this information.
 
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What I understand from this is that human nature is perfect in the sense that it offers us the free will to do good or evil.
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Currently, all human nature is corrupted because of sin. We do have a free will though.
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Angels also have this free will according to Christian belief, and that is why some of them (Lucifer especially) revolted against G-d.
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Correct.
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Further, since you state that sin after the Fall is now ingrained within us, do we have more of a tendency to choose evil as opposed to good compared to Adam and Eve?
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Free will. I do not know if Adam and Eve sinned more or less than we do today. But all sin we commit is by free will and our own actions, by that sin we have in us.
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Final question: did Jesus have a perfect human nature in the same sense as Adam and Eve before the Fall? That is, could He be tempted and could He succumb to temptation?
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Yes, Jesus was perfect like Adam, in fact many call Him the new adam. I do not believe He could fall into temptation though and sin because He is God almighty. I might be wrong though, so if anybody could tell me if I have erred, I would appreciate it.

Please, do not hesitate to ask more questions! I would be glad to answer them. May I ask, are you an atheist?
 
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