The nature of sin. Understanding Catholicism as a Baptist

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Pride, Greed, Envy, Wrath, Lust, Gluttony, Sloth … .Are Capital Sins… Evil…

Also referred to as the seven mortal sins, seven deadly sins, or seven capital vices…

To give into any manifestion of any of them is an Action of committing a Sin…
 
It is true that we are held in the palm of God’s hand, and therefore saved. But we can also jump out of the palm of his hand though sin.
 
EndTimes said:
apital Sins… Evil…

Also referred to as the seven mortal sins, seven deadly sins, or seven capital vices…

To give into any manifestion of any of them is an Action of committing a Sin…
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Except “sin” isn’t some “evil spirit dwelling within “. It’s an act of the will, according to the Catholic Church. That’s why we discuss sins of commission and sins of omission…not spirits…as though lust were some entity that tempts us.
The OP asked for Catholic understanding, not opinion. Here:
http://ccc.scborromeo.org.master.com/texis/master/search/?sufs=0&q=Sin&xsubmit=Search&s=SS
 
ahs said:
Except “sin” isn’t some “evil spirit dwelling within “.
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Original Sin?

I never said ‘sin’; per se. - when speaking of the Cardinal Sins…

Do we not differentiate between Temptations to Cardinally Sin and the actions of our Will?

Consider the Tempter… who from the outside - attempted to entice even our Lord…

Jesus rejected his Temptations at that point in time…

Temptations attack our body and mind… ?

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Original Sin?
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Nope. Original sin is not an entity or the presence of something, it is the deprivation of original holiness (CCC 389).
http://ccc.scborromeo.org.master.com/texis/master/search/?sufs=0&q=original+sin&xsubmit=Search&s=SS
EndTimes said:
Do we not differentiate between Temptations to Cardinally Sin and the actions of our Will?

Consider the Tempter… who from the outside - attempted to entice even our Lord…
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Right, that is exactly the point. Temptation, resulting from our fallen nature and concupiscence (our inclination to sin, CCC 418), is something we suffer…an inordinate desire of something…a “want”. Being tempted (verb), we may choose to commit a sin (also a verb…an act of the will). That sin we commit usually falls within a category of what we call the “Capital Sins” or “Cardinal Sins”. There are corresponding “Capital” or “Cardinal” Virtues we can practice to help us avoid them.

The “temptor” is the devil…and he is a spirit; a real being. What he does is tempt us to commit sins. He gives us empty promises and leads us into being (verb) proud or lustful or lazy or greedy, etc. (the Capital Sins).
 
ahs said:
Original sin is not an entity or the presence of something,
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Then… how do you address Paul (Romans 7)

as he (too) says “sin” in the sense of Noun (vs the Verb sense)

And… what he says looks… congruent with what I’ve said:

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*sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. *

*For apart from the law, sin was dead… Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. *

sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.

*We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. *

*I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. *
*As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. *

*For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. *

If I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
 
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It’s an overly literal reading to think of sin as a spirit. It is not. It is a metaphor.

The Church teaches that original sin is the loss of the original holiness and justness that God created for Adam and Eve. The result is the loss of preternatural gifts such as immortality and that reason and our passions are no longer properly ordered.

Refer to the Catechism. Specifically CCC 396 - 409.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P1C.HTM
 
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But anyway I’m interested in what you see as the nature of sin, and how it affects humans.
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In the East, both Catholic and Orthodox, the choice made by man in the story of Adam and Eve in the garden is one that breaks the budding relationship between God and man, newly created in His image. The goal from here forward is always about rebuilding that relationship-not punishment or anger, but redemption.

Sin is the wounding of a relationship that is meant to be healed. In this way we see that sin is not a breaking of arbitrary rules, but rather, engaging in attitudes, acts, or beliefs that ultimately cause or continue the disruption of a strong, healthy, mature relationship with the Creator.

Salvation, then, means that we are saved to a loving relationship with God. We are put back on the right path to build the relationship and encourage a deeper knowledge of God.

ZP
 
Wesrock said:
It’s an overly literal reading to think of sin as a spirit. It is not. It is a metaphor.
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Call it what you will. And perhaps in some manners we’re speaking past one another
We are born with Original Sin…
Temptations within - stemming from Evil - Exist…
What is Paramount is fully Knowing how to overcome Sin…

I. WHERE SIN ABOUNDED, GRACE ABOUNDED ALL THE MORE

The reality of sin

386 Sin is present in human history; any attempt to ignore it or to give this dark reality other names would be futile. To try to understand what sin is, one must first recognize the profound relation of man to God, for only in this relationship is the evil of sin unmasked in its true identity as humanity’s rejection of God and opposition to him, even as it continues to weigh heavy on human life and history.

387 Only the light of divine Revelation clarifies the reality of sin and particularly of the sin committed at mankind’s origins. Without the knowledge Revelation gives of God we cannot recognize sin clearly and are tempted to explain it as merely a developmental flaw, a psychological weakness, a mistake, or the necessary consequence of an inadequate social structure, etc. Only in the knowledge of God’s plan for man can we grasp that sin is an abuse of the freedom that God gives to created persons so that they are capable of loving him and loving one another.

Original sin - an essential truth of the faith

388 With the progress of Revelation, the reality of sin is also illuminated. Although to some extent the People of God in the Old Testament had tried to understand the pathos of the human condition in the light of the history of the fall narrated in Genesis, they could not grasp this story’s ultimate meaning, which is revealed only in the light of the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.261 We must know Christ as the source of grace in order to know Adam as the source of sin. The Spirit-Paraclete, sent by the risen Christ, came to “convict the world concerning sin”,262 by revealing him who is its Redeemer.

389 The doctrine of original sin is, so to speak, the “reverse side” of the Good News that Jesus is the Savior of all men, that all need salvation and that salvation is offered to all through Christ. The Church, which has the mind of Christ,263 knows very well that we cannot tamper with the revelation of original sin without undermining the mystery of Christ.
 
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Only in the knowledge of God’s plan for man can we grasp that sin is an abuse of the freedom that God gives to created persons so that they are capable of loving him and loving one another.
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I never thought of it like that… giving into sin is abusing God. 😦
 
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ahs:
Original sin is not an entity or the presence of something,
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Then… how do you address Paul (Romans 7)

as he (too) says “sin” in the sense of Noun (vs the Verb sense)
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Are you conflating ‘personal sin’ with ‘original sin’, here?
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I never thought of it like that… giving into sin is abusing God.
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👍

“Have mercy on me, God… [a]gainst you, you alone have I sinned” (Psalm 51:3, 6)
 
twf said:
The problem with these threads is the non-Catholic makes a post followed by a hundred Catholics jumping on the thread. T
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You make a good point…

IF 100 Catholics give 100 differing responses - it’s ridiculous…

Two Reliable Sources of actual Catholicism are Sacred Scriptures and e.g., the CCC

Catechism of the Catholic Church…

Surprisingly? Many Catholics are NOT steeped in Church Teachings…

Fact is… Some even oppose.

And?

That’s the way “things” have been going throughout all Christian “Sects”
and everything else in this world . Yes?

Which, mirrors Prophesy: Think ye not?

Peace
 
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