The new age movement is satanic at its core

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Lost_Wanderer said:
Though on the bright side, I suppose you’ve given me a good reason why I’d rather still be a reluctant, cafeteria Catholic rather than an out-and-out non-Catholic. Because really, I don’t always just reject everything the Church tells me to do.
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Okey-dokey.

Just remember, friend, that if God exists, He’s not going to always agree with your way of seeing things.

So if you’re looking for a religion that conforms to all of your palates, tastes, morals, views, then it’s probably NOT the one that Christ established.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
Nah. Just pray someone in the Church can get close enough to me to care. 😉
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i had started a thread in the prayer intentions forum for an anonymous sinner. That,may i say,was you.
There are some things online apologetics cannot do.
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Yes,but there are things which it can do. That includes clearing doubts and bringing people closer to the church. Please note,I said closer. Not that it will make someone a saint in a day.
 
Some people just refuse to listen, and if they refuse to listen, what can we do? Why do we bother bickering? He or she is not going to listen. So we must pray.
 
Jack007 said:
i had started a thread in the prayer intentions forum for an anonymous sinner. That,may i say,was you. Yes,but there are things which it can do. That includes clearing doubts and bringing people closer to the church. Please note,I said closer. Not that it will make someone a saint in a day.
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I don’t know whether to laugh, cry or be apoplectic with anger. He’s not so anonymous now, huh? Why in the world would you announce that? Sheesh.

I also think it violates CAF rules to start a thread for someone without their permission.
 
ialsop said:
Some people just refuse to listen, and if they refuse to listen, what can we do? Why do we bother bickering? He or she is not going to listen. So we must pray.
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It’s not about not listening; it’s about not hearing anything that hasn’t been said before. I know people mean well, but being told that you don’t seem Catholic, or that you’re not Catholic just because you’re not buying what someone is saying is Church teaching or the Church’s position on a subject isn’t the best way to encourage that person to embrace the faith or want to be a part of that so-called faith.
“The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians: who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.”
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This quote by Brennan Manning resonates with me. I’m not an atheist but I have struggled with faith, both Catholic teaching and belief in God. I find most believers to be the worst antidote to my struggles for a variety of reasons, some are kind of unique to me but most I think others can identify with.

I’ve been fed enough erroneous information about Catholic teaching, and usually it was a overly strict or harsh interpretation that someone was promoting. If not being able to live up to that standard and/or finding out that it isn’t even true but are still told you are not living a devout life, tell me why I should continue practicing the faith? Tell us, and there are a lot of us, why we should practice any part of the faith since the likelihood of finding out that something isn’t infallible when we were taught that, or that the way one choses to practice their prayer life isn’t authentic Catholicism, or when some Catholics seem to pick certain sins as worse than others when they are unlikely to commit that sin.

You also might want to consider where that person is in their walk because if they are at a crossroads and you decide to make a dig at their faith life or lack of it, you won’t see it but they will take the other road. Lord have mercy on me for the times I’ve been the person that I’ve discouraged others and they took the other road.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
***It’s not about not listening; it’s about not hearing anything that hasn’t been said before. I know people mean well, but being told that you don’t seem Catholic, or that you’re not Catholic just because you’re not buying what someone is saying is Church teaching or the Church’s position on a subject isn’t the best way to encourage that person to embrace the faith or want to be a part of that so-called faith.
This quote by Brennan Manning resonates with me. I’m not an atheist but I have struggled with faith, both Catholic teaching and belief in God. I find most believers to be the worst antidote to my struggles for a variety of reasons, some are kind of unique to me but most I think others can identify with.

I’ve been fed enough erroneous information about Catholic teaching, and usually it was a overly strict or harsh interpretation that someone was promoting. If not being able to live up to that standard and/or finding out that it isn’t even true but are still told you are not living a devout life, tell me why I should continue practicing the faith? Tell us, and there are a lot of us, why we should practice any part of the faith since the likelihood of finding out that something isn’t infallible when we were taught that, or that the way one choses to practice their prayer life isn’t authentic Catholicism, or when some Catholics seem to pick certain sins as worse than others when they are unlikely to commit that sin.

You also might want to consider where that person is in their walk because if they are at a crossroads and you decide to make a dig at their faith life or lack of it, you won’t see it but they will take the other road. Lord have mercy on me for the times I’ve been the person that I’ve discouraged others and they took the other road.
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Exactly, thus I think we need to find another way to engage fallen catholics. How? I dont know. But as you said, this way of pointing out their mistakes is futile.And YES, I am more guilty of that than anybody else.
 
ialsop said:
Exactly, thus I think we need to find another way to engage fallen catholics. How? I dont know. But as you said, this way of pointing out their mistakes is futile.And YES, I am more guilty of that than anybody else.
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Cursillo has a motto “Make a friend, be a friend, bring a friend to Christ.” I don’t think there are shortcuts without make a person a project. One has to be interested in the person, the soul, more than “salvation” or being right or someone coming over to your/our side. Some Christians act like it’s about the other person’s salvation but throw a hissy fit when the witnessee doesn’t embrace that Christian’s brand of Christianity.
 
Post deleted. After reading through this thread I decided not to get in the middle of what is going on with my new age questions.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
It’s not about not listening; it’s about not hearing anything that hasn’t been said before. I know people mean well, but being told that you don’t seem Catholic, or that you’re not Catholic just because you’re not buying what someone is saying is Church teaching or the Church’s position on a subject isn’t the best way to encourage that person to embrace the faith or want to be a part of that so-called faith.

This quote by Brennan Manning resonates with me. I’m not an atheist but I have struggled with faith, both Catholic teaching and belief in God. I find most believers to be the worst antidote to my struggles for a variety of reasons, some are kind of unique to me but most I think others can identify with.

I’ve been fed enough erroneous information about Catholic teaching, and usually it was a overly strict or harsh interpretation that someone was promoting. If not being able to live up to that standard and/or finding out that it isn’t even true but are still told you are not living a devout life, tell me why I should continue practicing the faith? Tell us, and there are a lot of us, why we should practice any part of the faith since the likelihood of finding out that something isn’t infallible when we were taught that, or that the way one choses to practice their prayer life isn’t authentic Catholicism, or when some Catholics seem to pick certain sins as worse than others when they are unlikely to commit that sin.
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These seem to be generalisations so could you please give some specific examples of teachings that are not true about standards of living or these other concerns that you have? For example, who selects certain sins as worse than one’s own sins? I’ve never heard this so please could you give more detail? Thanks! 🙂
You also might want to consider where that person is in their walk because if they are at a crossroads and you decide to make a dig at their faith life or lack of it, you won’t see it but they will take the other road. Lord have mercy on me for the times I’ve been the person that I’ve discouraged others and they took the other road.
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I agree. People should be encouraged not discouraged. I would add though that if people post on a public forum questions concerning their faith then this in a sense is a cry of help in one way and if one posts then one should expect various answers, some of which, are not always going to be easy to swallow. I think personally that if a person lacks, say, piety, which is obedience and utter trust in all things Catholic (Church included) then one needs to pray for piety and simply ask God to help our misunderstanding. But what someone responded to in an earlier post wasn’t all bad: praying for people sometimes is the only way because it does seem as if people want to cry but not do anything about their issues, yet here they are posting needing some encouragement (I agree) but not willing to hear any strong words. Many issues raised on this forum are so private and personal, but cease to be once up on a forum. So I agree - delicacy and tact - but if people are going to post I really think they need to expect that some reactions are going to be a little tougher than they expected, for their own good, so their feelings are not hurt.
 
I wanted to ask Rosarydevotion is she has ever heard of Lee Harris. I have a sister and a good friend, both university graduates and now in their sixties, who, after reading A Course In Miracles, were completely taken by this New Age. My sister in particular was impressed by the fact that it attracted educated people like herself. As for Lee Harris, he is my friend’s “guru”. What is the best way to reach these people? I find it hard having a conversation with them because they have a hard time dealing with reality.
 
Lormar said:
I wanted to ask Rosarydevotion is she has ever heard of Lee Harris. I have a sister and a good friend, both university graduates and now in their sixties, who, after reading A Course In Miracles, were completely taken by this New Age. My sister in particular was impressed by the fact that it attracted educated people like herself. As for Lee Harris, he is my friend’s “guru”. What is the best way to reach these people? I find it hard having a conversation with them because they have a hard time dealing with reality.
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Are either of them open to a friendly discussion on the issue? A lot of times it’s hard to even talk about it without somebody getting defensive.

While waiting for Rosarydevotion, a couple people I know have done ACIM. I looked at it, but didn’t spend any time with it because it didn’t seem to offer anything that I was interested in. But I can see how it can grab people intellectually because they say things that are not intuitive, with firm confidence. And they shower gazillions of words. I couldn’t take the course if I wanted to because I’m a slow reader and the daily emails are huge. So for me it was a waste of time.

If they are open to it, my personal approach is to find out what things are in common between what they’ve “learned” and the lessons of Jesus that speak to some of the same types of situations. Like dealing with pain, for example – Paul talks about dealing with suffering. I’d say try to get anything at all you can agree on, before trying to correct her too much. Kind of draw them out and get them to reveal if possible their motivations. Maybe they are looking for something they can’t find in their own faith. If they don’t want to talk about it, then I guess just do “friend things” and share your time and love, and pray the Holy Spirit shows them the Light.

I hope this helps. Everyone has a different approach and mine changes depending on the situation.

MS
 
MS, I’m not looking to correct either one. My friend is in her sixties and a Stanford under and law school grad. She’s no light weight. I can sense her frustration with the whole new age movement because it really isn’t working for her (she has inoperable and untreatable scoliosis - very painful and debilitating) in dealing with her physical suffering. She is a lapsed Catholic too. She is a “child of the sixties” and has told me innumerable times of how she shed the shackles of Catholicism while at Stanford.

On the other hand, my sister’s biggest stumbling block when it comes to Catholicism is suffering. What impressed her the most about the New Age “church” she attends is that those who frequent it are all highly educated like herself.
 
Lormar said:
MS, I’m not looking to correct either one. My friend is in her sixties and a Stanford under and law school grad. She’s no light weight. I can sense her frustration with the whole new age movement because it really isn’t working for her (she has inoperable and untreatable scoliosis - very painful and debilitating) in dealing with her physical suffering. She is a lapsed Catholic too. She is a “child of the sixties” and has told me innumerable times of how she shed the shackles of Catholicism while at Stanford.

On the other hand, my sister’s biggest stumbling block when it comes to Catholicism is suffering. What impressed her the most about the New Age “church” she attends is that those who frequent it are all highly educated like herself.
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Thank you for explaining that. It sounds like you have a pretty realistic handle on it. 🙂
 
Lormar said:
I wanted to ask Rosarydevotion is she has ever heard of Lee Harris. I have a sister and a good friend, both university graduates and now in their sixties, who, after reading A Course In Miracles, were completely taken by this New Age. My sister in particular was impressed by the fact that it attracted educated people like herself. As for Lee Harris, he is my friend’s “guru”. What is the best way to reach these people? I find it hard having a conversation with them because they have a hard time dealing with reality.
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Hi! I never heard of this Lee Harris, but I googled him and see that he’s into all sorts of “Channeling of spirit guides” which is another word for communicating with demons. In the new age just about every other person is doing this stuff. But they really think that it’s all good stuff because the spirits tell them wonderful things. Lucifer will come as a light bearing angel. But as St. Paul said, beware of false doctrines that tickle the ears.

I studied the ACIM as well before I woke up to how harmful it is. The doctrine appeals to the carnal nature of man. Teaching that since there is no such thing as sin, we can never really be wrong so it’s ok to be selfish, etc. You will find all kinds of people who are into this. I think it makes them feel better about life, it takes the pressure off them.

As far as how to approach your friend, I’m trying to figure this out myself. I dont know how to approach my former friend who is in this. He stopped talking to me once I went back to the CC, and I never really did tell him how bad this ACIM effected me. All you and I can do is ask the Holy Spirit to guide us. I do know that I must eventually approach him and I’m not looking forward to it. But we do have a duty. As my favorite evangelist Father Corapi says, “If I were skipping and dancing on my way to hell, I would hope someone would tell me.”
 
Rosarydevotion said:
Hi! I never heard of this Lee Harris, but I googled him and see that he’s into all sorts of “Channeling of spirit guides” which is another word for communicating with demons. In the new age just about every other person is doing this stuff. But they really think that it’s all good stuff because the spirits tell them wonderful things. Lucifer will come as a light bearing angel. But as St. Paul said, beware of false doctrines that tickle the ears.

I studied the ACIM as well before I woke up to how harmful it is. The doctrine appeals to the carnal nature of man. Teaching that since there is no such thing as sin, we can never really be wrong so it’s ok to be selfish, etc. You will find all kinds of people who are into this. I think it makes them feel better about life, it takes the pressure off them.

As far as how to approach your friend, I’m trying to figure this out myself. I dont know how to approach my former friend who is in this. He stopped talking to me once I went back to the CC, and I never really did tell him how bad this ACIM effected me. All you and I can do is ask the Holy Spirit to guide us. I do know that I must eventually approach him and I’m not looking forward to it. But we do have a duty. As my favorite evangelist Father Corapi says, “If I were skipping and dancing on my way to hell, I would hope someone would tell me.”
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Are you familiar with Sharon Lee Giganti? She is on Catholic Answers Live show once a month. She is a former and recovering new ager as well.

That’s one thing I have noticed about those taken with this new age stuff. It gave them license to do what the Church wouldn’t give them license to do. There but for the grace of God go I.
 
Really, the bottom line here is that anything which leads you away from the God’s Church and its teachings is satanic. That includes things which can make you act like a “better person” or “non judgmental” in the eyes of the world. Perhaps it is not the Church’s teachings which make someone judgmental or always looking down at others, but the lack of understanding to follow them in all their fullness. Not only do you learn what is not moral or Christian, but you learn how to look at the sinner, including yourself. So yes, you can judge that someone is doing or being sinful, and despise the sin, while at the same time wanting to help the sinner to overcome this inclination and get to heaven. EVEN if the sin is horrific. You do not have to like a sinner to love them. You WILL loving them, which can include justly judging their sin to be sin and informing them of it in a way that is not hateful. Love or rather agape in this case is not an uncontrollable emotional response like most people speak of it and it does not mean to let someone just keep on sinning because you can’t bear to hurt their feelings by telling them that they are doing something wrong. There is a lot more to it then that, but the main point is that if it turns you from God, then it’s sinful and it is of the devil and the greatest loving thing you can sometimes do is to let others know in a way they are able to take in a fruitful manner, that what they are doing is sinful. Always always always keep in mind that forgiveness of God is NOT for the righteous but for sinners, and especially for the greatest of sinners and try to reflect that in your thoughts and in your actions to show Christ to the world.
 
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