The new Anglican Ordinariate is established today!

[jwinch2]

whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2012/01/on-day-one-ordinariate-spreads-north.html
WHISPERS IN THE LOGGIA:

SUNDAY, JANUARY 01, 2012

On Day One, The Ordinariate Spreads North
While the Vatican’s announcement of the launch of the US’ Anglican Ordinariate of the Chair of St Peter takes top line today, a key codicil of the news has freshly presented itself.

Over recent weeks, reports from Canada have indicated that the country’s number of Anglican entrants “do not warrant” the establishment of a separate national jurisdiction.

Accordingly, while a New Year’s Day letter from Bishop Douglas Crosby of Hamilton obtained by Whispers notes the Ontario diocese’s reception today of a “small group” of former Anglicans into full Catholic communion, the text goes on to say that, “in due time,” the received group will “become part of the Personal Ordinariate that is being erected in the United States.”

In other words, the Chair won’t end at the 49th Parallel

 

[Luvtosew]

I think, yes, eventually Catholics will once again have married Priests…and the increasing closeness to the denominations which already have married clergy will probably hasten this.

Yes, there are some scriptural arguments that Priestly celibacy may be beneficial in certain instances…but I also don’t think abandoning the policy, at least in part, would be exclusively negative.

Oh at one time Priests were allowed to be married? I never knew that.

 

[mburn16]

very early in church history.

 

[horselvr]

Is there a list of churches that have been accepted by Rome.

I have an Anglican friend that keeps telling me I can receive communion at her Anglican church but I know that they are not in union with the Pope and I am not so sure they believe Christ is truly in the Eurchrist.

So, I’d like to make sure before I get in too deep. A list would be most helpful.

 

[MartyrForJesus]

Well pretty soon the Catholic Priests will be allowed to marry, several years.

Hopefully not. The celibacy rule is part of the tradition of the Latin Rite.

 

[jwinch2]

Is there a list of churches that have been accepted by Rome.

I have an Anglican friend that keeps telling me I can receive communion at her Anglican church but I know that they are not in union with the Pope and I am not so sure they believe Christ is truly in the Eurchrist.

So, I’d like to make sure before I get in too deep. A list would be most helpful.

Right now your best bet is to look at the Anglican Use Society. The Ordinariate does not have any communities listed as of yet since it is so new.

anglicanuse.org/Links.htm

 

[horselvr]

Thanks Jason. Will definately do.

 

[Dan_Daly]

Any news on who the Ordinary is? I thought that was going to be announced on the same day, but didn’t see any mention of it on the website.

Pax Christi

Disregard…found my own answer:

Who will run the ordinariate?

Father Jeffrey Steenson is a member of the faculty of St. Thomas University in Houston, Texas and has created the formation program for former Anglican clergy seeking to become priests for the ordinariate. He will be installed as the ordinary, on Feb. 19, 2012. He and his wife, Debra, have three adult children - two adult sons and a daughter – and a grandson.

Fr. Steenson will be assisted by Fr. R. Scott Hurd, a priest of the Archdiocese of Washington. Also a former Episcopal priest, married and the father of three, he became a Catholic priest under the pastoral provision. Fr. Hurd will be on loan to the ordinariate for three years and will serve as Vicar General. He will be based in Washington, DC.

 

[horselvr]

Jason/everyone:

I just don’t understand this whole Anglican thing calling themselves Catholic. Why not just be Catholic?? I went to my friends Anglican church and the members there converged on me like vultures, honestly. Wanting me to agree that their service was just like a Catholic Mass and that I should join their church. When I told them I was quite happy to be a Catholic and was only visiting for that day they seemed a little dismayed. They seemed genuinely upset that I would not partake in communion and when I told them I needed to go to confession first they said their priest could hear my confession. They call themselves Anglican-Catholics and told me it was quite alright to receive sacraments in their church. They said their priest told them they were in union with Rome but this church is not on the list Jason provided.

Can anyone explain this to me especially the last sentence “like minded Catholics??”
Are there suppose to be certain Catholics that think differently than others and think more Anglican and if so then just what does that mean?

"The Society also seeks to encourage and support converts to the Catholic Church who do not live near an Anglican Use congregation. We hope they will maintain their Anglican Use identity through the daily use of The Book of Divine Worship for personal prayer and through fellowship and prayer with other like-minded Catholics in their area."
I know my Anglican friend and her husband (sweet people as they may be) do not believe in the Pope or follow the Pope and do not believe tha same as we do concerning other Catholic beliefs.

I understand that if it’s good enough for the Pope it should be good enough for me but I have questions that keep swirling around and make me uncomfortable with all this.

Can someone please enlighten me once and for all so I can get over myself.

 

[Dan_Daly]

Catholic means universal.

When Anglicans or Orthodox use the term that is how they mean it. Of course, that is how Catholics mean it as well. The Catholic Church is the universal Church.

Pax

 

[horselvr]

Hi Dan:

I understand perfectly that catholic means universal. However, this is not answering my questions.

I am really struggling with this and am searching for answers.

They call themselves Catholic and tell me they believe everything we in the Catholic church believe but when we discuss certain aspects of our religion they believe differently. Honestly, they are protestant in their beliefs and really don’t care for having the Pope heading anything.

So, if they are not in union with Rome how can they be part of the Catholic Church and be accepted into that church.?

Dan: thanks for hanging in there with me on this.

 

[Dan_Daly]

Ok, I follow a little better, I think.

There are:

Anglicans Protestants who use the term “catholic” to describe themselves.

"Anglo-Catholics" Again Protestants, but a subset of the previous group, many of whom are closer to Catholic belief, but still not in union with Rome and without valid apostolic succession.

Anglican Use Catholics These are Catholics. They believe everything the Catholic Church teaches or else they in error, just like any other Catholic.

So I think there is either a confusion of terms, and the people you are talking to might be in the second group, or they are Catholics, but in error on certain matters.

Find out where they go to Church and it will give you a better idea of what group they are in.

Pax Christi

 

[Dan_Daly]

horselvr:

Listen to this, it might help.

AudioSancto.org/auweb/20101121-Anglicanorum-Coetibus-History-and-Current-Events.mp3

Pax

 

[liturgyluver]

Hi Dan:

I understand perfectly that catholic means universal. However, this is not answering my questions.

I am really struggling with this and am searching for answers.

They call themselves Catholic and tell me they believe everything we in the Catholic church believe but when we discuss certain aspects of our religion they believe differently. Honestly, they are protestant in their beliefs and really don’t care for having the Pope heading anything.

So, if they are not in union with Rome how can they be part of the Catholic Church and be accepted into that church.?

Dan: thanks for hanging in there with me on this.

If the parish you are referring to is part of the Ordinariate then they will be former Anglicans now part of the Roman Catholic Church, but able to use their distictive liturgical patrimony. If they are part of this group then you can receive the sacrament there (as can any Catholic).

However there are still many Anglo-Catholics who have not decided to join the Ordinariate. They are still part of the Anglican communion and Catholics are not supposed to receive communion there.

It’s not helpful to discuss questions with individual members of a church community when you are seeking an authoratative answer. If I discuss things with people at my local Catholic Church there are many things that they say that are contrary to Catholc teaching.

You simply need to ask this group if they are part of the Ordinariate or not - and then check that they are - and that alone will determine whether you can receive the sacrament there.

 

[horselvr]

Dan Daly:

You are so very fabulous. Thank you so much because you have cleared some of this up for me.

"Anglo-Catholics" Again Protestants, but a subset of the previous group, many of whom are closer to Catholic belief, but still not in union with Rome and without valid apostolic succession."

Bingo----this is what my friends call themselves. Anglo-Catholics. But they insist they are not protestants and are as Catholic as me. I don’t know how this can be since they reject the Pope. So, am I right to think that only the Anglican Use Catholics are really Catholic in their beliefs and they are the ones that are joining our faith? If so then I think I got it!!

Thanks for clearing some of this up for me. I am off the see the video in hopes the rest of my questions are answered.

 

[horselvr]

Liturgyluver:

Thank you too for helping me out here.

“You simply need to ask this group if they are part of the Ordinariate or not - and then check that they are - and that alone will determine whether you can receive the sacrament there.”

My friend said that her priest told them they have been accepted by Rome as part of the Ordinate but when I checked Jason’s website the church in question is not listed. They keep insisting that I can receive sacraments at thier church. Needless to say I have not been back—not even out of friendship.

To make matters even more confusing her son is an Episcopalian priest and cetainly doesn’t ever see himself as part of the Catholic faith. I’m not so sure how he feels about his Mother joining the Anglican-Catholc church. Veru confusing at least for me. But I’m getting some of it cleared up in my head.

Off to see the video. Thanks so much for unconfusing me.

And yes I agree. The last thing I should be doing is trying to get answers from them.

 

[liturgyluver]

Dan Daly:

You are so very fabulous. Thank you so much because you have cleared some of this up for me.

"Anglo-Catholics" Again Protestants, but a subset of the previous group, many of whom are closer to Catholic belief, but still not in union with Rome and without valid apostolic succession."

Bingo----this is what my friends call themselves. Anglo-Catholics. But they insist they are not protestants and are as Catholic as me. I don’t know how this can be since they reject the Pope. So, am I right to think that only the Anglican Use Catholics are really Catholic in their beliefs and they are the ones that are joining our faith? If so then I think I got it!!

Thanks for clearing some of this up for me. I am off the see the video in hopes the rest of my questions are answered.

Anglo-Catholics (and many other Anglicans) won’t describe themselves as protestant. They (and some others like Lutherans) have a different definition and perspective on what Catholic means, and why they don’t see themselves as a protestant sect.

It would be better to say that only Anglicans that are part of the Ordinariate are within the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church.

 

[liturgyluver]

Liturgyluver:

Thank you too for helping me out here.

“You simply need to ask this group if they are part of the Ordinariate or not - and then check that they are - and that alone will determine whether you can receive the sacrament there.”

My friend said that her priest told them they have been accepted by Rome as part of the Ordinate but when I checked Jason’s website the church in question is not listed. They keep insisting that I can receive sacraments at thier church. Needless to say I have not been back—not even out of friendship.

To make matters even more confusing her son is an Episcopalian priest and cetainly doesn’t ever see himself as part of the Catholic faith. I’m not so sure how he feels about his Mother joining the Anglican-Catholc church. Veru confusing at least for me. But I’m getting some of it cleared up in my head.

Off to see the video. Thanks so much for unconfusing me.

And yes I agree. The last thing I should be doing is trying to get answers from them.

That’s interesting. In the UK, some Anglo-Catholics use the Roman Rite (even though the Bishop of London has told them not to) and of course a casual visitor to mass at one of these churches would assume even more strongly that it is Roman Catholic Church - actually a very traditional Roman Catholic Church, because of the execution of liturgy and traditional music etc.

We now have several people at my Catholic parish who had made this mistake initially: the sad thing is they are very disgruntled with the casual execution of the liturgy in our parish compared to the Anglican one, which is why I hope the Ordinariate will have a positive influence on our liturgy.

Best wishes horselvr

 

[horselvr]

I’ve got it!! That video is excellent.

Thank you so very much. Between you both hanging in there with me and answering questions and the video I am now unconfused and can see why everyone is now so excitied to have the Anglican Use Catholics coming home.

I really needed the video and also to understand that there is a difference between Anglicans, Anglo - Catholics and Anglican Use Catholics and why one believes what they believe compared to the others beliefs.

Thank you so very much for all your help with this. I have saved the video/audio.

 

[horselvr]

“It would be better to say that only Anglicans that are part of the Ordinariate are within the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church.”

Yes, and this one statement clears away any confusion.

“That’s interesting. In the UK, some Anglo-Catholics use the Roman Rite (even though the Bishop of London has told them not to) and of course a casual visitor to mass at one of these churches would assume even more strongly that it is Roman Catholic Church - actually a very traditional Roman Catholic Church, because of the execution of liturgy and traditional music etc.”

Yes that’s it exactly but questioning them further I found out they are actually against the Pope and do not believe as we do which is why I had all those questions. So, yes I can too see why a Catholic going to their service might think it’s ok to receive communion/confession in that church. The service is similiar to Mass but upon further examination—the truth eeks out.

I cannot thnk you all enough for helping me with all this. If feels really great to be unconfused. I’m sure the Pope will be very glad to see that horselvr finally got it straight!