The new Coronovirus, Covid-19 and its spread globally

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Pattylt said:
Until then, WASH YOUR HANDS…FREQUENTLY AND THOROUGHLY.
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I have a sister that worked innately microbiology lab. Outside the lab people thought she was OCB because of frequently washing her hands or surfaces that she was going to use. To her everyone else was obsessively compulsively dirty.
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If you have flu like symptoms, don’t try to be a martyr. Stay home, miss mass, miss work, stay away from others…and continue to wash your hands!
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Please give this speech to my coworkers! I can’t count the number of times I’ve gotten sick because of someone trying to show their dedication.

The week before I bought my first house i was sick. I had gotten sick after avoiding a coworker that I knew was sick that had also come to a conference. I sat down to watch a presentation at the conference. I discovered he hat sat behind me when he cough and I felt a mist hit the back of my neck.
 
Have to remember in the US that many people have no sick leave. They show up or they don’t get paid and may even lose their job. Even well paid contractors often don’t have benefits. That can create an incentive to show up that is difficult to counter especially if they are living check to check.

Moral of the story: if you have sick leave or you can afford to take off a few days, please stay home.
 
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A complication is that the Coronavirus comes in the middle of an active flu season.
 
A case has been confirmed here in Maricopa County.
An ASU student who lives off campus and just returned from China recently.
 
There is also the problem now that many jobs are understaffed. The medical field itself has this problem so coworkers know that there’s no one to fill in so…they drag their sick selves into work because it won’t get done otherwise. We dealt with this in my lab all the time!

Plus, there’s the issue with some business benefits that sick days and vacation days aren’t distinguished…you get a set number of paid days off no matter the reason and people don’t want to short themselves on vacation for a “cold” they think they can work through. So, many reasons why the sick go to work.

This is why it’s very hard to stop the spreading of an illness. When it’s just a cold, we grumble about Joe giving it to us but if something that has a potential to be a pandemic…now, Joe is risking lives!

We have no idea if this virus will become a pandemic but if so, I hope businesses, schools, etc. will pay the workers to stay home and be paid regardless of benefits. I would be the right thing to do.
 
SARS cost $50 billion
The market in China is tanking today.
Illness taxes everyone.
 
Thanks ATraveller, its all sorted 🙂 I would have hated to unintentionally offend anyone.
 
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I can say that N95 masks have been disappearing from the local stores around these parts.
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N95 masks work, IF you wear them properly, and I wonder how many are fit tested and do. Otherwise there are no better than other masks. Using them for any protracted period Is tiring.
 
The WHO has put out guidelines on how to protect from this virus.

It is far more contageous then first thought because people are infectious before symptoms show.

Here are the WHO guidelines atm

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because this originated most likely in bats in the wild food market, the animal vector is highlighted and it is advised to cook meat and eggs well and be aware of wild and farm animal contact.

No doubt this will be updated as new information comes in. As of now, this virus started a month ago, 80 are dead, over 2000 are confirmed cases and it has spread to many countries.

I pray it is halted.
 
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Yes, for the moment and hopefully it will stay that way. The next week should yield a lot more test results and knowledge. One school of thought on how this jumped into humans , because coronaviruses are animal type viruses, is through eating the wild animals at the wet market where the virus originated, specifically bats. There is now a halt on all wild animal food markets in China.
 
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I read that conspiracy theory as another report. It went like this. Canada had the Corona virus , it was isolated from a Saudi Arabian patient in 2014. Chinese workers stole it from the lab in Canada and weaponized it.
I would not put much stock in these. That is the second such rumor going around. It is not as creative as the one I read.

Bats are vectors for quite a few diseases. Rabies, rabies cousins, a hendra virus in Australia that also is fatal to humans when it jumps from bats to horses to humans, and most likely this virus.
Swabs from the wet food animal and fish market in Wuhan have found 35 or so swabs of Coronovirus in the environment where the wild animals are sold. 50 or so swabs were positive in that market.

ON another note, the first hospital is due to open on Monday, and a second is being built to cope with the amount of patients. China gets things done when needed. That first hospital was built in how many days?
 
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What makes it seem feasible is their #2 guy is there where he is most likely to be exposed to the virus.

He was sent there for some reason.
 
…beginning to wonder how Coronavirus is any different than just a bad cold going around. Last month, I caught a bad cold that was going around my community but didn’t make headline news. 🤧📰
 
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In some ways, it is similar to outbreaks of seasonal flu or the common cold that occur all the time. Respiratory viruses case similar effects. A small percentage (15-30%) of common colds are caused by coronavirus.

The differences in the severity of disease, ease (or difficulty)) in transmission, and being a new strain, make it important for monitoring.
 
I read those reports about that lab in Wuhan and about the alleged theft/espionage in Canada, but I’m not giving them much credence at this time due to the presence of the China’s second in command in Wuhan today. They wouldn’t put him there if they didn’t think they could keep him protected.

There is a PhD out there with a video in which he is claiming this coronavirus has four times the transmission rate of ordinary flu (and twice the transmission rate of the infamous Spanish Flu of 1918). I am not giving much credence to this yet so I won’t link it. I don’t think it’s much higher than ordinary flu, I still think it’s the incubation period that is kicking everyone’s rear end. Now that they are observing large populations closely we should get improved estimates in the next few weeks for the transmission rate and the mortality rate.

Don’t forget the power of fear, it could be the slightest symptoms drive a segment of people to the hospitals, but there might actually be nothing wrong with them. Then they get exposed in the hospital.

As I stated upthread, we have to be cautious about confusing flu deaths with coronavirus deaths. This preliminary report from the CDC shows an estimate range about 8000 to 20000 deaths so far this flu season. Note that the flu season begins on October 1 for measurement purposes.

www.cdc.gov

Preliminary In-Season 2021-2022 Flu Burden Estimates

CDC's weekly cumulative in-season estimates of flu cases, medical visits, hospitalizations and deaths in the United States.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

By comparison, the CDC estimated about 34,200 flu deaths during the 2018-19 flu season.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

I think the CDC numbers might be somewhat underreported as it may be possible that some die from flu-related illnesses that aren’t counted as flu.

So let’s keep some perspective as we pray for the victims so far.
 
OurLadyofSorrows said:
I read that conspiracy theory as another report. It went like this. Canada had the Corona virus
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Zzyzx_Road said:
I read those reports about that lab in Wuhan and about the alleged theft/espionage in Canada,
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The way I heard it, the sample was sent from China to the lab in Canada, requesting evaluation. The lab is one of 15, containment level 4 bio labs in the world, the one that developed the Ebola vaccine. Turns out the sample received was too contaminated to complete a report, and the sample was kept and placed in secure storage, as they are set up to do. Then followed speculation and some rumours.
 
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