The new Coronovirus, Covid-19 and its spread globally

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The way I heard it, the sample was sent from China to the lab in Canada, requesting evaluation. The lab is one of 15, containment level 4 bio labs in the world, the one that developed the Ebola vaccine. Turns out the sample received was too contaminated to complete a report, and the sample was kept and placed in secure storage, as they are set up to do. Then followed speculation and some rumours.
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Seems like a few different “alleged” articles running around … like gophers in the prairies.
 
It has come out today that the first case was reported on December 8 approximately, and that person had no link to the wild animal market. Although it cant be ruled out that he or she could have been involved in the trade.

Animals sold there include wolves and koalas , dogs, bats, snakes, boar, etc

There are Chinese health authorities disputing the market as ground zero now. It was the place where the virus seems to have spread from though, swabs confirm its presence in good numbers.

We really have to stop conflating flu and cold virus with this one. The numbers are not helpful and dismiss the urgency of this virus. China has built one hospital and is rapidly building another for this virus. It is a real problem there.
 
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The graph ahowing thr cases is concerning, it looks exponential. Death toll i last heard was 56, now it is eighty something i think.
Here in our metropolis, there are suspected cases in a few hospitals. Scary because it is a densely populated area. For now what i can do is boost my immune system and pray.
 
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I thought this was interesting.

www.newsweek.com

Mobile Game About Wiping Out Humanity With Disease Tops Chinese App Chart

Data compiled by analytics company SensorTower this week suggested the mobile app shot to the top of the download rankings in China on January 21 and has attracted a wave of reviews in recent days.
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This is actually an older game. I’ve played it before. But the thought of playing it during a real outbreak feels disturbing to me somehow. But to each their own…
 
I can’t see how this will be contained. China might slow the progression down a bit with the many restrictions. but it will inevitably be global.
Hopefully, the US will be well past peak flu season when it hits hard.
 
China and the United States are pretty close in geographical size.

But China has over a billion more people. Even if you stay in your home there in the cities, you’re still surrounded by a lot of neighbors.

The US has the luxury of quite a bit of advance notice.
 
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I imagine most people overlook how heating/cooling air systems in buildings can carry disease.
 
The death toll is now 106, and there are 1300 new cases. Al Jazeera is reporting very at the minute with this virus. They have reporters who were in the cities for Lunar New Year that are now locked down in those cities.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...umps-106-1300-cases-govt-200128011740971.html

Some countries are starting to release their stockpiled surgical masks for medical teams. Australia has just announced its releasing its stockpile. Most of its available masks were bought out in the recent bushfires and air quality crisis. Phillipines is having a few issues with masks also due to the volcano eruption.

Pray there is a halt to the spread of this virus
 
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If negative then that’s good news. Hope this is the case in other areas.
 
Donkey said:
I can’t see how this will be contained. China might slow the progression down a bit with the many restrictions. but it will inevitably be global.
Hopefully, the US will be well past peak flu season when it hits hard.
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I saw on tv where some five million residents have left Wuhan for other parts of China or the world. I doubt there have been so many carriers as that represents in the history of the world except perhaps for the Black Death. Imagine how many exposures would result from even a half million scattering out from the epicenter.
 
I’ll suggest that within the next four weeks, the number of people outside of China who have been exposed will be in the millions. We should know by then just how transmissable it is as we still don’t have a good handle on that one with wildly varying estimates out there and the Chinese government numbers are still under much suspicion. Same with the death rate for those who become ill. As with the flu, there are going to be those who are exposed but never get sick. Could they still be carriers? We don’t know that either. Hence the quarantine efforts.

A practical vaccine is several months away so one has to take other measures. Early reports suggested that those with compromised immune systems thanks to other conditions such as diabetes, obesity, cardiovascular issues, etc., are more vulnerable, so it sounds like an excellent guideline would be to keep one’s immune system up. Plenty of tips for that out there on the web.

Regarding the Chinese numbers, their methodology is apparently drastically different from the US. The Chinese CDC said that in 2018 there were over 700,000 cases of influenza but only 144 deaths. For the first five months of 2019, they counted 1.4m cases of influenza. Have to look at that 144 and shake your head, no way just 144 when compared to the US CDC numbers.

Data methods show gap between US, Chinese flu-related deaths - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn www.globaltimes.cn

Disparities like this are what leads almost everyone to believe the official Chinese government counts are grossly understating the severity of the situation. Which is why I talked about exposure outside of China and how the non-Chinese authorities including the CDC should be able to get a better grasp on the data that would inform us as to just how much farther we need to go with screening and quarantining measures as well as treatment.
 
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https://weather.com/health/cold-flu/news/2020-01-28-flu-more-deadly-than-coronavirus

video.foxnews.com

Dr. Siegel on coronavirus: We have to figure out how contagious this is | Fox News Video

Dr. Marc Siegel weighs in as the death toll rises in China.
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As of now, as the doctor says, the chance of flu-like symptoms being the Coronavirus in the United States right now is next to 0.

I got my flu shot in late Dec. and my pneumonia shot a little over two weeks ago. Not because of the Coronavirus which I had not even heard about until recently, but glad I did now that both have been recommended in discussions about the Coronavirus.
 
Then there is the fact that many Asian countries have atrocious food regulations on health and sanitary conditions…hanging live animals and slaughtering them…no health oversight…who can say what diseases they might carry…I once saw a video from an Asian country where they ate dogs…they would break their back legs so they could hang them up…then slaughter them on the spot when a customer bought one…there was a video just the other day showed a guy in China swallowing live baby mice…another of a woman eating a cooked bat…I know we shouldn’t criticize other countries eating habits but some of them are just plain gross and their treatment of animals inhumane…maybe we should be more concerned allowing people from these countries entry into the US…I hope the government is aware terrorists could use something like this to infect people here in the US…that could be more disastrous than even 9/11.
 
While the Asians often display poor food hygiene, we have to remember they have millennia of experience with famine. When entire populations are desperately hungry, they’ll try anything at least once. Literally anything. Let that sink in.

Hence it should not be surprise anyone that they have developed many rather “interesting” dishes. Those videos about weird food on their plates? In other areas, one will find fried crickets to be a delicacy. That sort of thing, many more where that came from.

Maybe there are sanitary ways to prepare bat or something. I can remember seeing a 1930 American cookbook with a section for preparing small game for the dinner table. Squirrel, raccoon, opossum, gopher, skunk, vole, prairie dog, even rat. Fun reading, that. So I’m inclined to give Asians the benefit of the doubt for what they are consuming, they just have to work on the hygiene end. I don’t like their treatment of dogs, but that’s their culture, they sure don’t understand our love of dogs. To them, dogs are just another source of protein. You’ll understand what I mean when I say many poor areas in Asia do not have a stray dog problem. They get caught and they end up in somebody’s stew pot.
 
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I’ll suggest that within the next four weeks, the number of people outside of China who have been exposed will be in the millions.
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People are catching the virus that have not travelled to China, but been in contact with those who have. This is the case now in Japan, Vietnam and Germany.
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Then there is the fact that many Asian countries have atrocious food regulations on health and sanitary conditions…
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USA has some pretty questionable food regulations in some sectors too. I shake my head in food selling places that offer goods like chicken feet, and store them in buckets of water in a window, unrefrigerated. But that is another story.
The issue was , it seems at this point, the handling at the wet food market, but, as is said further up thread though, authorities in some parts are questioning this as the source.
 
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