The New is in the Old concealed, and the Old is in the New revealed...

[lak611]

In the analogy I was thinking that the Orthodox corresponded to Israel whereas Catholicism corresponded to Judah. Beyond that, I’m not really sure how to apply the analogy.

The whole range of Christian thought could be reflected in certain Judaic archteypes.

For example, perhaps Lutheran and other similar reformers would be like the Tribe of Benjamin whereas other groups that are kind of fringe to the point of being non-Christian (such as Mormons) might correspond to Naphtali.

Baptist and Congregational type schools of Christian thought might correspond to Reuben in the sense of trying to get back to the original message of Scripture alone.

Perhaps Simeon and Levi are observed within Anglicanism and the Methodist movement.

One could really interpret these things in many different ways. I’m just trying to find if there is any kind of common denominator that we can agree upon from many different denominations perspectives.

Unlike the other pre-figurings found within the Old Testament, this here thread has primarilly been engaged for the sake of peaceful ecumenical dialogue between different denominations without undue arguments over these finer things.

Nothing at first has to be accurate in this later ecumenical sense. It’s only set forth as a platform for further discussion between Christian denominations and should be understood as a hypothethical until a clearer understanding (if one actually exists) can be found in the hypothesis.

Have you any further insights into the Tribes, Apostles and Denominations?

 

[spauline]

That was a very interesting article, and you gave some great insights.

thanks, lak611!

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

None of this has anything to do with the 12 Tribes of Israel. This is typical, Amillennial allegorizing tactics. The 12 Tribes of Isreal are the 12 Tribes of Israel, they’re Jewish, not Gentile.

This kind of thinking is similar to Herbert Armstrong’s “Anglo-Israelism.” None of it’s Biblical, none of this was concealed in the Old Testament, and certainly none of this is revealed in the New.

Who is Hosea 2:23 talking about then?

I will plant her for myself in the land; I will show my love to the one I called 'Not my loved one. ’ I will say to those called 'Not my people, ’ ‘You are my people’; and they will say, ‘You are my God.’ "

If the New Testament Bride was unknown to the Old Testament, then who are these people apophasis?!?

I may not be here much longer apophasis. But I just thought this point here was too much.

The Scriptures say that we are fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household. That’s Israel-- the people who are of the seed of Abraham.

Furthermore, not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. In fact, according to Galatians 3:29, if we belong to Christ, then we are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Likewise, according to Romans 4:13, it was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.

Are you even paying attention to these verses?!?

Making the claim that our beleif in the shared inheritence form the Jews is on the same level as the spurious allegory of Herbert Armstrong’s Anglo-Israelism is just wrong on too many levels to debate.

Look…a man came to my door today and asked if he could have our recycled cans. I looked at him and realized that he had very little-- and he was in fact thankful for our garbage.

He was actually thankful for my garbage.

I think I’m going to try to forego these forums – all forums – and instead do some work in the Society of St. Vincent de Paul. I think I’ll be accomplishing more by volunteering there than wasting my time repeatedly debating anti-catholic heresies like the ones you’re lobbing against us.