The New Mormon Threat!

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zerinus said:
Mormons, as a group, are among the most decent and honourable of mankind; and their leaders are known to have led exemplary lives. If you want a specific example, I can give you one:

“Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it. In the short space of twenty years, he has brought forth the Book of Mormon, which he translated by the gift and power of God, and has been the means of publishing it on two continents; has sent the fulness of the everlasting gospel, which it contained, to the four quarters of the earth; has brought forth the revelations and commandments which compose this book of Doctrine and Covenants, and many other wise documents and instructions for the benefit of the children of men; gathered many thousands of the Latter-day Saints, founded a great city, and left a fame and name that cannot be slain. He lived great, and he died great in the eyes of God and his people; and like most of the Lord’s anointed in ancient times, has sealed his mission and his works with his own blood.” (D&C 135:3.)

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And of course you don’t want to leave this little ditty from Joseph Smith out of the conversation:
"Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . " (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408-409).
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truthsilence;

That joey smith quote is a classic for the ages! Great post!

But I think the mormons have already fallen. The problem is they can’t get up.

Robert
 
The only threat the LDS represent is that they don’t represent the truth. Joseph Smith invented the BoM, D&C, and the Pearl of Great Price out of whole cloth, either by himself or with the assistance/collusion of others. The LDS lead people away from the truth. Regardless of the “good” they do, in my experience there are usually strings attached to their “help”, if they lead people away from the truth, they’re doing more harm than good.
 
Matthew 7:15

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Matthew 24:11

and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

Matthew 24:24

For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.

2 Peter 2:1

1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

1 John 4:1

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Ummm I think this is why people have a problem with the LDS Church. I know many LDS people and I do see the blinders on thier eyes. It is sad. One of my friends joined a few years ago and she hasn’t been the same. And I don’t mean better. I know for a fact they do count members who are inactive, the dead until they 110 and other miscelculations.

A lot of the members in other countries feel bad for the missionaries and get baptized and after they leave they don’t practice. I know a lot of Mormons want to believe it is just like John Grownburg (sorry mispelling) in tonga but it really isn’t. I got that from like 5 returned missionaries and many other who left will say the true.

I suffer from depression and they tried to lore me in with new friends and all this hope but they were distancing me from my family. I said forget it I love my family more.

I’m sorry but I think a lot of LDS believe they are a true church but the bible clearly states to beware
 
PaulDupre said:
I attended the RCIA Rite of Acceptance this past Saturday. I was there as sponsor for my adult son who has converted. The church holds 1200 people and was jammed full.

1200 / 2 = 600 converts and reverts (half the attendees are sponsors like me)

Then I found out that only one third of the parishes in the diocese were represented on Saturday, and that there will be two more in the next two weeks. There are so many catachumens and candidates that it takes three rites to accommodate them all.

3 * 600 = 1800 converts and reverts to Catholicism this year in our Diocese of Orange, CA.

Paul
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And so why the need for catholic answers to canvass for money? Your post tells me that there is no threat. Something is wrong. Either catholic answers is barking up the wrong tree or your parish is not representative of the amount of converts to catholicism.

Also, it may be best to begin vocational work among the converts. I am very serious about this since those individuals seeking vocations are down. It would be nice if more people would begin to devote themselves to the religious life.
 
mjf001 said:
The only threat the LDS represent is that they don’t represent the truth. Joseph Smith invented the BoM, D&C, and the Pearl of Great Price out of whole cloth,
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And here I was thinking the phrase was: Out of Hole Cloth

As in, moth-eaten, ragged, corrupt…:eek:
 
truthsilence said:
And of course you don’t want to leave this little ditty from Joseph Smith out of the conversation:

:eek:
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Whats wrong with what Joseph Smith said? Are you calling Jesus Christ a false Prophet?

John 14: 12
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
 
why_me said:
And so why the need for catholic answers to canvass for money. Your post tells me that there is no threat. Something is wrong. Either catholic answers is barking up the wrong tree or your parish is not representative of the amount of converts to catholicism.

Also, it may be best to begin vocational work among the converts. I am very serious about this since those individuals seeking vocations are down.
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RCIA is doing very well in my diocese too, TYVM.

I still think the e-mail was motivated by Super Tuesday. While I have no way of knowing whether Mormon recruiting was suffering from secular malaise, I do agree that the emergence of prominent Mormon politicians with a wholesome family image and WASP work ethic would lead to an upsurge in interest and possibly conversions. At least temporarily…

However, I am more concerned about the long-term, lasting damage that will likely be done to this country by a radical liberal leadership, one that invokes the name of God while disregarding everything He stands for. We will lose far more souls to selfish gov’t-owes-me-a-living liberal humanism than to Mormon missionaries who promote education and self-sufficiency.

That’s why I didn’t like the e-mail campaign being launched just as the presidential primaries were surging.
 
why_me said:
And so why the need for catholic answers to canvass for money? Your post tells me that there is no threat. Something is wrong. Either catholic answers is barking up the wrong tree or your parish is not representative of the amount of converts to catholicism.

Also, it may be best to begin vocational work among the converts. I am very serious about this since those individuals seeking vocations are down. It would be nice if more people would begin to devote themselves to the religious life.
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First, not all Catholics know about or support Catholic answers. It is a lay apostolate not directly supported by the Church as a whole.

Vocations are a regional thing. Some places have more candidated than spots, some do not. The more orthodox the Bishop is, the more that vocations are promoted, the more devout the people, the more devotions that you have. Some traditionally Catholic regions are way behind because they are more the in name only type. The problem is that these are the areas that need more priests. If they would get back to the faith, they would see vocations rise.

Back to the concept of Mormanism as a threat to catholicism. It is one of those statistics that lies. There are more Catholics than any other denomination. In fact, there are more Catholics who do not attend mass than any other denomination. Logic dictates that Catholics would be the single largest convert group to any non-Catholic faith.
 
ralphinal said:
I would accept that many did. I would accept that most did. I will not accept that all did.
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As a general statement, that is true. Sure there were some who didn’t; but they usually apostatized and left the Church. Those who remained faithful did.

Anybody who knows anything about LDS history, the lives of the pioneers, the sacrifices they made and the persecutions they suffered; or who has read the biography of any of the Church leaders, and the exemplary lives that all of them have led, would not want to ask that question.

zerinus
 
mjf001 said:
The only threat the LDS represent is that they don’t represent the truth. Joseph Smith invented the BoM, D&C, and the Pearl of Great Price out of whole cloth, either by himself or with the assistance/collusion of others. The LDS lead people away from the truth. Regardless of the “good” they do, in my experience there are usually strings attached to their “help”, if they lead people away from the truth, they’re doing more harm than good.
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The Book of Mormon is true; Joseph Smith was a prophet; and those who reject them will be damned if they do not repent.

zerinus
 
ralphinal said:
Back to the concept of Mormanism as a threat to catholicism. It is one of those statistics that lies. There are more Catholics than any other denomination. In fact, there are more Catholics who do not attend mass than any other denomination. Logic dictates that Catholics would be the single largest convert group to any non-Catholic faith.
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Actually, historically most LDS converts have come form Protestantism. That was in the old days when most Church members were concentrated in the US. But that now may be changing, as most of the new converts now seem to be coming from Latin America, and other places outside of the US such as the Philippines, with large Catholic populations.

In Europe, however, the old patterns seem to still prevail; and there are more converts out of Protestant Britain than out of Catholic Europe.

Those emails about “confronting the Mormon threat,” however, appear to have been motivated partly as a genuine attempt to slow down the uptake of Mormonism by Catholics; but even more importantly, to raise cash for CAF! I don’t see a “political” motive for their efforts. Well, if they are really that desperate for money, I am sure if they asked the LDS Church they would give them some! 😃

zerinus
 
Nan_S said:
And here I was thinking the phrase was: Out of Hole Cloth

As in, moth-eaten, ragged, corrupt…:eek:
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Talking of the “corrupt,” I like what Jesus said:

Matthew 12:

33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
The Book of Mormon is true; Joseph Smith was a prophet; and those who reject them will be damned if they do not repent.

zerinus
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Prove it. Show me some ancient physical evidence the Book of Mormon is true. Find me an ancient Nephite document that claims Jesus was in America.
 
Catholic20064 said:
Prove it. Show me some ancient physical evidence the Book of Mormon is true. Find me an ancient Nephite document that claims Jesus was in America.
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If such a thing were found, there would be no reason for faith. It would prove that god exists and that the lds church is true. You would not be catholic but a mormon and all for the wrong reason. The bible is clear about seeking for evidencce or signs, It should not be done.

Show me that the book of mormon is false. That cannot be done also. Hence, the problem. 🤷
 
why_me said:
If such a thing were found, there would be no reason for faith. It would prove that god exists and that the lds church is true. You would not be catholic but a mormon and all for the wrong reason. The bible is clear about seeking for evidencce or signs, It should not be done.

Show me that the book of mormon is false. That cannot be done also. Hence, the problem. 🤷
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Not really. All they would have to do is find some Israelite mtDNA. You still wouldn’t know the Book of Mormon is true, but you would at least know there was a possibility it was true. Right now there is no possibility it is true because nothing has ever been found to support its central premise. Even if you were to find that Jesus had visited America, you would have to have faith the Book of Mormon was a true description of his visit. This is not sign-seeking – it is simply using the brain God gave me. I can’t prove Christianity is true or false either, but I can at least find evidence that people in the New Testament really existed.
 
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