The New Mormon Threat!

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tundramom said:
go ahead why me. State your evidence where Nahom and Bountiful are… and not the city in Northern Utah.

in Christ
Steph

P.S. Can you supply evidence without Daniel Peterson’s meandering mind, sarcasm, and intellectual leaps?
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What I find interesting is that the evidence provided is that Nahom appears on inscriptions on alters in a certain area. Since, as one fellow in the video says, Nahom means mourning or sorrow, could this mean that these alters were used for something to do with sorrow or mourning and not really signifying the name of a place? Then, to top it off, due east from there is a place the “could have been” Bountiful. This, to me, is stretching it a bit.

The “Tolkienites” believe Europe is actually where Middle Earth was located and the Atlantic is actually the great sea - Balargir. That’s about as believable as the location of Nahom and Bountiful.
 
Nahom does NOT appear on any of this. NHM appeared on a rock. without knowing the vowels it could be pronounced a multitude of ways with various meanings. a rock with NHM on it does very little to “prove” any BoM places, events, etc.
 
Yeah… whatever zerinus. Ask DCP to come on over here and discuss his religion with us.

in Christ
Steph
 
Why me.

I have been reading the thread that zerinus linked. You are quite full of it (would I be a member of their penut gallery?).

I wasnt aware that asking questions which are not answered counted as “beating on the lds church quite regularly”.

I am still waiting for your proof that the BoM is real which doesnt involve the usual re-direction rubbish of “If you attack the BoM, then you are attacking the Bible”.
 
Elric said:
Did you sent it to them?
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No I didn’t. I have no idea who might have. Or it could be that the OP received it directly from CAF. They sent it to a lot of people, and it seems that their attempts to screen off the non-Catholics was not always successful. Shame I never got one! 😃

zerinus
 
It’s hard to imagine grown people running to other sites and posting this stuff and trying to “rally the troops” to come argue with people on another site. It’s bad enough I get caught up in it… At times it’s hard to believe that we’re adults on these boards, this topic has definitely reached pathetic.
 
Maybe this will help you get some perspective:

bookofzelph.com/

Given JS’s immaturity, as parodied in that website, can you expect his followers to be any less so? 😃
 
zerinus said:
No I didn’t. I have no idea who might have. Or it could be that the OP received it directly from CAF. They sent it to a lot of people, and it seems that their attempts to screen off the non-Catholics was not always successful. Shame I never got one! 😃

zerinus
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Tsuzuki posts on this forum. I haven’t seen the poster for awhile. I am sure that he or she was just a little offended, especially because he or she attends RCIA classes. Tzusuki seems to be just like me…somewhere in the middle of it all. But I could be wrong about this. Maybe Tsuzuki is very active in the lds church.
 
lukewarm said:
It’s hard to imagine grown people running to other sites and posting this stuff and trying to “rally the troops” to come argue with people on another site. It’s bad enough I get caught up in it… At times it’s hard to believe that we’re adults on these boards, this topic has definitely reached pathetic.
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The problem is that I would have liked some of their posters to come here and have a discussion with you guys. The anti mormon posters here take delight in pasting antimormon sites and quotations. More discussion about the issues would be helpful from both sides of the table. It would be a learning experience.

That being said, the mormonapologetic site has had visitors from this site too. It is not a one way street.
 
tundramom said:
Yeah… whatever zerinus. Ask DCP to come on over here and discuss his religion with us.

in Christ
Steph
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Zerinus does not post on the mormonapologetic site as far as I know. I do post there. I don’t think that Dan would be interested. He is a very busy man…just completed a book about Islam.
 
whyme,

The “anti-Mormon quotations” you refer to are quotes from your own prophets and apostles, as well as your current Sunday School and Seminary manuals. If you think those quotes are anti-Mormon, then you have an even bigger conflict with your church than you realize.

Apparently, your disagreements are not with us, but with your own LDS leaders.

Paul
 
zerinus said:
Thank you why me, that is a compelling video to watch. The argument that most modern scholars won’t buy it is rubbish. Most modern scholars also don’t believe in Genesis, or in Exodus, or in the miracles of Moses, or in the resurrection of Jesus, or in His Virgin Birth.

I was particularly interested in their explanation of Jesus “born at Jerusalem” verse in the Book of Mormon. The argument they gave is a good one, and valid as far as it goes. But there is an even stronger and more consistent internal explanation within the Book of Mormon for that verse. I had already discussed that in my Blog post. I have just revised that blog, and added more scriptural verses to it which makes the case even more compelling. To those who have already read it, I recommend them to read it again, because it presents an even stronger argument for it than before.

zerinus
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Here are some more to watch. They are short and sweet:

BOM and Temples:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7692616129159333306

Testimonies of the scholars:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4101557833549167256

Scholars views of Bible vs. Book of Mormon:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7922723852365603972

Horses, Chariots, and elephants:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2986196945639217658

Grains in the New World:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1869596632644737431

BOM Geography in the New World:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6630925482362212517

Coins in the Book of Mormon:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8092497671084706362

Archaeology and the Bible:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1640773288196586414

Metallurgy in the New World:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5998413672485120003
 
PaulDupre said:
whyme,

The “anti-Mormon quotations” you refer to are quotes from your own prophets and apostles, as well as your current Sunday School and Seminary manuals. If you think those quotes are anti-Mormon, then you have an even bigger conflict with your church than you realize.

Apparently, your disagreements are not with us, but with your own LDS leaders.

Paul
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The problem Paul is a simple one: To paste quotations is nonsensical. All of us say things at any given time. I am sure that Paul said some humdingers in his time but no one was around to record them and if they did, they have been lost. I am sure that every early apostle at the time of christ said some humdingers too. People are people and we are all human beings. I try not to get too caught up with quotations. Many lds church leaders said some wonderful things and spiritual things. Most of what they said have been faith promoting. But yes, there are some humdingers too. Such is a human life.
 
zerinus said:
\ . . . Continued

If Joseph Smith ever made a true prophecy, it was this one:

“The Standard of Truth has been erected. No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing. Persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame. But the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and dependent till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, until the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the Great Jehovah will say, ‘The work is done.’”

So how can you truly “confront” this “Mormon threat”? Well, you only have two options left: Join it (and be saved by it); or reject it (and be damned by it). There is a well-known English proverb that says, “If you can’t beat them, join them”. Mormonism can’t be beat! The only way to avert the “threat” of Mormonism is to join it. Join it, or be swept away by it. Those are the only choices you have.

zerinus
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So what? Why are you so worried about what the Mormon religion has to say? Do you really beleive in it?

Who cares.

Perhaps this Smith dude was high?
 
zerinus said:
I was particularly interested in their explanation of Jesus “born at Jerusalem” verse in the Book of Mormon.
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The born at Jerusalem thing never seemed odd to me and I don’t think it’s a substantive point against the Book of Mormon. When people ask me where I am from originally, I usually tell them I am from Boston. I am not from Boston, but from Concord about 14 miles NW of Boston. Only well-educated people these days know where Concord, MA is but most people have an idea where Boston is. So it’s easier to say I’m from Boston.

Paul
 
why_me said:
The problem Paul is a simple one: To paste quotations is nonsensical. All of us say things at any given time. I am sure that Paul said some humdingers in his time but no one was around to record them and if they did, they have been lost. I am sure that every early apostle at the time of christ said some humdingers too. People are people and we are all human beings. I try not to get too caught up with quotations. Many lds church leaders said some wonderful things and spiritual things. Most of what they said have been faith promoting. But yes, there are some humdingers too. Such is a human life.
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whyme,

You are non-sensical. The quotations posted here are not random musings that someone unfortunately wrote down. The quotes are from Ensign articles, general conference talks (which are screened and approved by the 1st Presidency), and books written by your general authorities reflecting the prevailing LDS beliefs, as well as from your LDS scriptures.

And don’t forget about the quotes from your current Sunday school, seminary and priesthood manuals. Are they just a slip of the tongue? I don’t think so.

You are in a terrible state of denial and doublethink. Perhaps you should seek counseling.

Paul
 
PaulDupre said:
whyme,

The quotations posted here are not random musings that someone unfortunately wrote down. The quotes are from Ensign articles, general conference talks (which are screened and approved by the 1st Presidency), and books written by your general authorities reflecting the prevailing LDS beliefs, as well as from your LDS scriptures.

And don’t forget about the quotes from your current Sunday school, seminary and priesthood manuals. Are they just a slip of the tongue? I don’t think so.

Paul
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Pasting and copying quotations out of context and as one-liners is non-sensical.

And as I have said, we have all said humdingers in our lifetime. We just are not that important for people to remember them.
 
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