The New Saint Fray Junipero Serra and America's True Identity

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The monumental Catholic figure of California’s Junipero Serra will become the first Hispanic saint of the U.S., when he is canonized as a saint later this year. This article explains that Catholicism was in California long before the founding 13 colonies which became the United States were first settled.
see vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/junipero-serra-40571
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I don’t think he would be Hispanic, he was born in Spain. God Bless, Memaw
 
Hipanic isn’t a race (just to clarify)

People who identify with the terms “Hispanic” or “Latino” are those who classify themselves in one of the specific Hispanic or Latino categories listed on the decennial census questionnaire and various Census Bureau survey questionnaires – “Mexican, Mexican Am., Chicano” or ”Puerto Rican” or “Cuban” – as well as those who indicate that they are “another Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin." Origin can be viewed as the heritage, nationality group, lineage, or country of birth of the person or the person’s ancestors before their arrival in the United States. People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be of any race. -census.gov/population/hispanic/

He is Hispanic.
 
Scears said:
Hipanic isn’t a race (just to clarify)

People who identify with the terms “Hispanic” or “Latino” are those who classify themselves in one of the specific Hispanic or Latino categories listed on the decennial census questionnaire and various Census Bureau survey questionnaires – “Mexican, Mexican Am., Chicano” or ”Puerto Rican” or “Cuban” – as well as those who indicate that they are “another Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin." Origin can be viewed as the heritage, nationality group, lineage, or country of birth of the person or the person’s ancestors before their arrival in the United States. People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be of any race. -census.gov/population/hispanic/

He is Hispanic.
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Right. If anything I question the “of the U.S.” part. He was born in Mayorca, and never once stepped foot in the U.S. let alone claimed American nationality. He died long before California would cease to be Spanish or Mexican soil, or before the United States would start westward expansion for that matter.
 
Brandon_Cal said:
Right. If anything I question the “of the U.S.” part. He was born in Mayorca, and never once stepped foot in the U.S. let alone claimed American nationality. He died long before California would cease to be Spanish or Mexican soil, or before the United States would start westward expansion for that matter.
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Who said that he stepped foot in the U.S.? Who said he claimed American Nationality?
 
Hispanic is a problematic term (generic). It can be confused with “hispanus” that is a latin term (during Roman Empire) to refer inhabitants of the Iberian Peninsula (today Spain and Portugal and a part of North-Africa). “Hispanus” derives from “Hispania” and from “Hispania” comes also “hispanic” “España”, spanish, spaniard, etc… Today hispanic is refered to people who are born in America with spanish ancestors, (they usually has spanish surnames or has spanish as first language) So Junipero Serra isn’t strictly hispanic. He was a spaniard (from Balearic Islands, in Spain and in Europe). But can we consider J Serra as the first Hispanic saint of the U.S? I don’t see any problem about it. There were a lot of spaniards that migrated in colonial times, architecs, compositors, governors, frairs, etc… that were born and lived in Spain but later migrated for example to New Spain (today Mexico) and today are considered as mexican without problem, which is just an anachronism but also a common appreciation. Mexico is a country created in the beginning of the 19th century. But people in Mexico call those spaniards and their descendants (New Spain citizens of the 16-18th centuries) “mexicans” when they were legally only spanish citizens (spaniards) and not mexican ones.

Try to say to a peruvian that Saint Rose of Lima en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_of_Lima) is not a peruvian saint but a spaniard one or to a mexican that Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juana_In%C3%A9s_de_la_Cruz), although she is not saint, was not a mexican scholar and poet but a spaniard one. They probaby look to you with a murderous look 😛

I think Junipero Serra in the samely way can be considered as U.S. saint (and at the same time a spanish saint).
 
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