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I am sorry to be the one to burst the bubble, but I think the OP got the wrong photo. This is obviously an experimental death-ray machine from Area 54, the photo of which was superimposed on an urban landscape. It’s a complete fake, but probably a violation of national security as well.
 
To me it doesn’t really look any more beautiful than any other modern office block, one could also say the “Gherkin” in London is beautiful.
The things that really matter are: does it envoke a sence of the sacred? Was it designed as a house of God for the glory of God?
For me the answer to both of those questions is a big fat no.
Not everyone has good taste…
 
Although, I think there is a problem with incorporating too much of “functionality” and “practicality” into houses of God. Function and practicality are good things. It’s always nice to have comfortable seating, heat, light, air conditioning, etc. but too much focus on the practicality and function of the building as the main part of the design itself leaves a building cold and sometimes too “corporate”. It can work very well and can be impressive for corporate buildings, though.
It can be impressive for churches too.
A good architect will successfully incorporate architecture (the art) with the actual engineering (the practicality and functionality). A House of God that is created for all people - a building that everyone can recognize as a church as a place of refuge, prayer, comfort, etc. - is more important than the creation of an innovative
, functional design or too much focus on an interesting piece of modern art which could be difficult to interpret or to appreciate for its functionality or innovation.
What you seem to miss is that art in architecture need not look Gothic.
The photograph in one of the last posts does not evoke any thought of a house of God if I didn’t know it was a cathedral. I would just think that it was an interesting building and would wonder what it was for. As a musician and in the arts, my immediate thought is, “Hmmm… interesting, although just another typical, cold building for the performing arts.” It kind of reminds me of the Kimmel Center for the Performing Arts in Philadelphia, although that is more of a box with a large glass rounded roof housing the different halls. (The cathedral has much more glass.) From the outside, it just looks like a typical 21st c. modern corporate building. It’s interesting and has an inner design for the main hall that is shaped like the body of a cello or violin. It’s not particularly ugly in the hall itself, but not that warm and for a place touted for its acoustics and the excuse given to make it, the acoustics are still not as good as the Academy of Music where the operas and ballets are still performed.
To you…
In my mind, the functionality and design of this cathedral overpowered the sacred and transendance into spirituality - it became too secular and has lost its intent. To me, that is a failure if most people would not recognize it as a house of God. walking by.
That’s your opinion. Even if it was accurate I would say “so what?”

I do appreciate your opinion, though. 🙂
 
It can be impressive for churches too.
I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree. 😉
What you seem to miss is that art in architecture need not look Gothic.
I would agree with you, so I don’t believe I’m missing anything. I admire many centuries of art and architecture. That cathedral didn’t have to look like a Gothic structure, so my critique of the building does not have to do with it having to be a carbon copy of a Gothic-period Cathedral or a carbon copy of any other period. I work in the arts, have family and friends who are successful in the arts and am surrounded by this kind of thing all the time just by the nature of who I work with and where I’m located. I’ve seen it all - the good, the bad and the ugly from ALL periods. lol And I’ve learned to appreciate the ugly when it deserves it, love even more the good and decipher the bad to figure out what the composer, artist, choreographer, etc. was trying to get at. It definitely DOES NOT make me any more special than the next person - I still feel like the provincial country girl in the “big city”, but these are just things, as I know you are aware of, which you just learn as you become more immersed in it.

Just as there are some beautiful pieces of modern classical music from the 20th and 21st century (Poulenc ie. Dialogues of the Carmelites, Durufle ie. Requiem and Boatrite ie. Ave Maria) which take from its predecessors yet make it totally their own and “modern” at the same time - so can the art of architecture without making it focus too much on the functional and the practical. I just believe that this Cathedral’s focus weighed too heavily on that and missed the mark.
To you…
To me and to many other people. I’m not one lone opinion… as I am also aware that you are not a lone opinion as well.
That’s your opinion. Even if it was accurate I would say “so what?”
I know that is my opinion and it could be accurate, although it really doesn’t matter if I am or not. I had no goal of trying to change your mind as I respected your opinion and I hope that wasn’t your goal either with me.

But there is no need to be rude about it by saying “so what?”. I thought we were having a nice tete-a-tete of just discussing opinions. We were both giving knowledgeable support of either our critiques or praises and not just basing it on taste. It was why I respected and appreciated your opinion.
 
From this you seem to suggest that we should be made to feel ‘worthy’ of heaven? That we should not be ‘humbled’ by our entry into a House of God?

My guess is ‘I’ would be humbled walking into this ‘new’ Cathedral so maybe many of us are ‘off-base’ with our criticisms but humility is apart of our approach into the presence of God… heaven on earth.
As a hermit in the Diocese of Oakland, and one who has seen the new Cathedral (and attended the dedication and Festival of Light), I can say that the symbolism and Catholic nature of the building is undeniable. Built of really fundamental elements (Wood, stone, metal, glass) it makes the most use of light I have seen in a cathedral. On the large omega window above the altar is a large representation of Christ as pantocrator (Christ in majesty) formed solely from light. (It comes in through various sizes of pin holes and is projected on the inner panels of the omega window. At night, the image is visible to the outside world as the light comes to it from the light within the cathedral itself.)

The shape of the building (the footprint, that is) is of a fish (can’t get much more traditional than this symbol) and the roof is actually a large oval shaped oculus which opens to the heavens. The altar is marble and stands atop a round platform with steps all around. Directly beneath this is the mausoleum which itself receives light from a circular “skylight” unobtrusively built into the steps. There is a sense of this Cathedral mediating between heaven and earth — as clearly Christ in his Church does.

The windows which make up the walls of the Cathedral are substantial and look it. They are fritted with ceramic, meaning panes are bonded together with ceramic. Again, they let in light, reflect light, mediate light to the world outside. Within them are the ribs of the cathedral and the wooden louvres which form both “walls” and moderate the light. From the outside they are striking and fit the city center even while distinguishing the building from those whose “business” is more ordinary. Is the building reminiscent of an Ark? Yes, since the Church is, in some senses, the ark of the new Covenant, why not?

The baptismal font is wonderful and can be used for immersion or pouring, depending upon the circumstances. It is a constantly moving pool so the symbolism of living water, the “troubled” waters of the pool at Bethsaida, etc. is contantly recalled and present. (Again, the symbolism could not be much older or more traditional.) Nearby the ambry holds magnificent vessels for the various chrisms the cathedral will use during the year. (I personally wish these were a bit more visible than the ambry itself allows, but I suppose protection as well as beautiful sculpture was a prominent concern.

The tabernacle is directly behind the altar built into the wooden reredos. On either side are seats for choir and presbyterate. Flanking these is the ambo with crucifix on one side, and the cathedra with Bishop’s coat of arms on the other. (The coat of arms is one of the most beautiful pieces of metal scupture I have seen, and I expected it to be gaudy and awful.) Behind the reredos is a chapel of reservation foucused on the tabernacle (which opens from this side). Both aspects of the tabernacle (chapel and church) contain bronzes with central symbols of Eucharistic faith: burning bush, manna in the desert, crucifixion, shepherd and sheep, etc. Again, the lines are simple using wood, metal, glass and LIGHT to speak of God and the beauty of his creation.

The confessionals are based on the same pattern as the reredos, except that the wooden wall formed in the center of the small room is done in the shape of an “S”. Into each niche in the S is a chair or seat which faces the screen and other chair. The wooden screen has a section in the center which can swing open for face to face confession. This whole space was one of my favorites since it highlighted the naked confrontation of penitent and God through the mediation of the priest. There is nothing to distract from what occurs here, and yet the space is warm and comfortable at the same time.

Around the cathedral are multiple side chapels with various kinds of art from various periods, especially reflecting the history of California. As one person mentioned, some of it is rather gaudy (though striking), but it is reflective of a multicultural church too. Also around the cathedral are the stations of the cross. They are wonderful bronzes placed low on the walls to invite people to touch them as they meditate on them. This is another favorite dimension of this space for me. Finally, there are sconces with candles around the building, each designed to include the name of an Apostle, and in the entrances to each of the chapels are quotations inset in metal into the stone (marble?) floor. Throughout the cathedral then are references and symbolism central to the Scriptures and our faith. Those three dimension mentioned early in the posts are almost defined by this new Cathedral.

Postscript: the kneelers are quite comfortable by the way.

Best regards,
Sister Laurel M O’Neal, Erem. Dio.
Stillsong Hermitage
Diocese of Oakland
 
What an incredibly beautiful description of what seems to be a controversial piece of architecture. Thank you so much, Sister Laurel.

I rejoice with the Diocese of Oakland that it finally has a Cathedral after so many years. May God’s blessing be upon the Bishops, the Priests, the consecrated, and all the people of the Diocese of Oakland. :signofcross:
 
What an incredibly beautiful description of what seems to be a controversial piece of architecture. Thank you so much, Sister Laurel.

I rejoice with the Diocese of Oakland that it finally has a Cathedral after so many years. May God’s blessing be upon the Bishops, the Priests, the consecrated, and all the people of the Diocese of Oakland. :signofcross:
Dear GemmaRose,
thanks for your reply. The Cathedral is absolutely stunning in the use of light and the clearly Catholic symbolism at every turn. We are exceedingly happy to have not only the cathedral which is a reminder of what Catholic actually means at its most elemental or fundamental, but the entire center which includes residences for Bishops and priests, a free clinic, legal clinic, chancery offices and diocesan department offices. It was built to withstand time and to literally mediate between time and eternity, light and dark, death and life, contemporary culture and the transcendent Tradition, all with Christ and his altar at the center. It does that in a striking and symbolically visible way and will serve the entire Church AND COMMUNITY of Oakland in the process. At every point my sense is that God is glorified in the architecture and symbolism this new cathedral. Over time we will see if the living Church it houses makes appropriate use of it all. I pray that it will be so and sense that others are committed to making it so.

All my best,
Sister Laurel M O’Neal. Erem Dio
Stillsong Hermitage
Diocese of Oakland
 
Has any modern Catholic architects still remember Gothic or Romanesque design?. Or is that, like the TLM a thing of the past.
 
Generally, churches that look like this are designed with the best of intentions. If the architect gives his reasons for its various aspects, they are almost always grounded in Catholic truths.

The problem is the genre of modern art/architecture itself. Whereas traditionally, art sought to convey and objective beauty or truth, modern art seeks to convey a personal expression of a truth. Thus, not everyone will “get” the artist’s or architecture’s intention.

Here’s an example using to paintings of flowers. The first everyone can tell what it is and at least appreciate some beauty. The second, however, many people would not be able to tell it is flowers and there is the possibility of seeing ugliness instead.

topofart.com/images/artists/Jan_van_Huysum/paintings/huysum005.jpg

modernart-painting.com/images/modern_art_paintings_21st.-merello._some_flowers(130x81).jpg
 
IMHO a cathedral should make itself clear as a cathedral, it should envoke a sence of the eternal and be build to give people an idea of Heaven on Earth for the glory of God. It should be clear that this is a house of God fior everyone who enters.

One should not have to look to see bits of christian symbology, it doesn’t have to be gothic but it should be obvious like in the medæval cathedrals.
 
Looks practical as it appears to have a low centre of gravity- pretty important feature in a building that is definitely going to be hit by an earthquake sooner or later- cathedral lifespans are measured in centuries.

I’m sure the architect considered the needs of the customer, as well as the lot that he had to work with and the amount of investment available in designing the building.

Really can’t judge this just from pictures, particularly as the alternatives that the architect presented aren’t here.
 
As a hermit in the Diocese of Oakland, and one who has seen the new Cathedral (and attended the dedication and Festival of Light), I can say that the symbolism and Catholic nature of the building is undeniable. Built of really fundamental elements (Wood, stone, metal, glass) it makes the most use of light I have seen in a cathedral. On the large omega window above the altar is a large representation of Christ as pantocrator (Christ in majesty) formed solely from light. (It comes in through various sizes of pin holes and is projected on the inner panels of the omega window. At night, the image is visible to the outside world as the light comes to it from the light within the cathedral itself.)

The shape of the building (the footprint, that is) is of a fish (can’t get much more traditional than this symbol) and the roof is actually a large oval shaped oculus which opens to the heavens. The altar is marble and stands atop a round platform with steps all around. Directly beneath this is the mausoleum which itself receives light from a circular “skylight” unobtrusively built into the steps. There is a sense of this Cathedral mediating between heaven and earth — as clearly Christ in his Church does.

The windows which make up the walls of the Cathedral are substantial and look it. They are fritted with ceramic, meaning panes are bonded together with ceramic. Again, they let in light, reflect light, mediate light to the world outside. Within them are the ribs of the cathedral and the wooden louvres which form both “walls” and moderate the light. From the outside they are striking and fit the city center even while distinguishing the building from those whose “business” is more ordinary. Is the building reminiscent of an Ark? Yes, since the Church is, in some senses, the ark of the new Covenant, why not?

The baptismal font is wonderful and can be used for immersion or pouring, depending upon the circumstances. It is a constantly moving pool so the symbolism of living water, the “troubled” waters of the pool at Bethsaida, etc. is contantly recalled and present. (Again, the symbolism could not be much older or more traditional.) Nearby the ambry holds magnificent vessels for the various chrisms the cathedral will use during the year. (I personally wish these were a bit more visible than the ambry itself allows, but I suppose protection as well as beautiful sculpture was a prominent concern.

The tabernacle is directly behind the altar built into the wooden reredos. On either side are seats for choir and presbyterate. Flanking these is the ambo with crucifix on one side, and the cathedra with Bishop’s coat of arms on the other. (The coat of arms is one of the most beautiful pieces of metal scupture I have seen, and I expected it to be gaudy and awful.) Behind the reredos is a chapel of reservation foucused on the tabernacle (which opens from this side). Both aspects of the tabernacle (chapel and church) contain bronzes with central symbols of Eucharistic faith: burning bush, manna in the desert, crucifixion, shepherd and sheep, etc. Again, the lines are simple using wood, metal, glass and LIGHT to speak of God and the beauty of his creation.

The confessionals are based on the same pattern as the reredos, except that the wooden wall formed in the center of the small room is done in the shape of an “S”. Into each niche in the S is a chair or seat which faces the screen and other chair. The wooden screen has a section in the center which can swing open for face to face confession. This whole space was one of my favorites since it highlighted the naked confrontation of penitent and God through the mediation of the priest. There is nothing to distract from what occurs here, and yet the space is warm and comfortable at the same time.

Around the cathedral are multiple side chapels with various kinds of art from various periods, especially reflecting the history of California. As one person mentioned, some of it is rather gaudy (though striking), but it is reflective of a multicultural church too. Also around the cathedral are the stations of the cross. They are wonderful bronzes placed low on the walls to invite people to touch them as they meditate on them. This is another favorite dimension of this space for me. Finally, there are sconces with candles around the building, each designed to include the name of an Apostle, and in the entrances to each of the chapels are quotations inset in metal into the stone (marble?) floor. Throughout the cathedral then are references and symbolism central to the Scriptures and our faith. Those three dimension mentioned early in the posts are almost defined by this new Cathedral.

Postscript: the kneelers are quite comfortable by the way.

Best regards,
Sister Laurel M O’Neal, Erem. Dio.
Stillsong Hermitage
Diocese of Oakland
Sister. I thought traditional Catholic Cathedrals were built in the shape of a Cross. What is this the shape of in your opinion?. Doesn’t look like a fish to me!. And what will happen when an Earthquake strikes. It looks far from sturdy?.
 
Sister. I thought traditional Catholic Cathedrals were built in the shape of a Cross. What is this the shape of in your opinion?. Doesn’t look like a fish to me!. And what will happen when an Earthquake strikes. It looks far from sturdy?.
The floorplan of the cathedral, the footprint, as already mentioned, is in the shape of a fish, the same shape the earliest Christians scratched on walls to signal a meeting place for liturgy long before the Cross became a central symbol of the faith. Everything with regard to the cathedral itself falls within that shape or extends upwards from it. As for what will happen when an earthquake strikes, the cathedral is expected to withstand it, though I don’t know how high on the richter scale engineers can protect from. Certainly it should withstand a quake stronger than the one which irreparably damaged the old cathedral. The entire Cathedral of Christ the Light is built on huge concrete separators which allow the ground to move without transmitting the motion to the structure itself — at least that is my limited understanding of this part of the engineering. This was a large part of the expense of the design and construction. As for altar rails, nope, there are none.
 
Sister, I just read on their website that yes the Cathedral was built with Earthquakes in mind. But does the Cathedral provide for the Extra-Ordinary form of the Mass and the rubrics. Altar Rails etc…
 
Sister, I just read on their website that yes the Cathedral was built with Earthquakes in mind. But does the Cathedral provide for the Extra-Ordinary form of the Mass and the rubrics. Altar Rails etc…
Of course there was extensive earthquake protection; it would be silly and irresponsible in the extreme to build a cathedral in this part of the country after having lost a cathedral to a major quake without such planning and engineering. The Diocese of Oakland offers the extraordinary form of Mass regularly at another parish. As far as I know the diocese does not intend to do so at the Cathedral itself, nor is the Cathedral set up for it if there MUST be altar rails. Again, NO ALTAR RAILS at Christ the Light Cathedral. Personally, I don’t see how altar rails are a make or break issue in this matter.
 
It looks very… protestant… doesn’t it?
Correction: It looks very NEW-AGEY doesn’t it?

The sad thing is that this is the Cathedral in my neck of the woods.

:mad:

Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing inherently bad about the architecture, it’s just… plain, boring, reminds me of a hotel, and does little to strike me with awe.

It’s a shame that the previous Cathedral was destroyed in the 1989 earthquake.

I wish the EF were offered somewhere here in San Francisco, then I wouldn’t care much about how the Oakland Diocese has decided to design their Cathedral. As is now, I frequent the EF held in Oakland.
 
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