I donât ever remember reading, either in Church teaching or Scripture, of the coming of a âfalse popeâ. What exactly does that mean? That would go against Jesus giving the keys to the kingdom to Peter and his successors. We have had some very immoral popes down through the ages who could have changed Church teaching but they never seemed to have been able to or to care. The vast majority of our popes, however, have been good, solid and holy men who have steered the Church through many difficult times. The popes of the 20th Century have been such as these.That is a very good question.
I am not sure if the church really wants anyone knowing.
Whomever it is he will most likely be the last Pope and false prophet in Revelation 16:13, 19:20, & 20:10.
Actually politicking is strictly forbidden.
WowâŚsuch arrogance.Actually Peary I understand quite a bit about the Catholic Church. Fortunately I happen to know quite a bit more about the Bible.
First of all it is not the Popes job to be head over Gods Church It is Jesusâ and he does it quite well without help from the Pope. The stewardship you are referring to is given to the local church Pastor not a universal church Pope. Titus 1:6&7 Discusses such pastoral stewardship âIf any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;â Which by the way states the qualifications for the Steward to be married. Yet another contradiction between the Catholic church and the Word of God as this steward must also be married. Second if you think the Pope is not being worshiped by yourself and other Catholics then maybe you should look up the definition of worship.
(1. Honor; respect; civil deference. 2. obsequious or submissive respect. 3. To adore; to pay divine honors to; to reverence with supreme respect and veneration. 4. To respect; to honor; to treat with civil reverence. 5. 3. To honor with extravagant love and extreme submission 6. To perform acts of adoration.) As you can plainly see these very acts as defined in the Websters 1828 Dictionary takes place every day in the presence of and directed towards the Pope. Thirdly the Catholic church did not give us the Bible. As a matter of fact the Catholic church did everything in its power to keep it from being translated. Even to the point of making Martyrs of anyone attempting to do so making your theory that the Catholic Church gave us the bible a fallacy.
Fourthly I beg to differ with you about your point of view of the Priesthood. Even more importantly the Bible disagrees with you as well. In addition the catholic terms you mentioned âsacrament of confirmationâ âsacred chrismâ, âsacrament of holy ordersâ, and âChrist in the Eucharisticâ cannot be found in scripture therefore cannot be used to prove biblical and doctrinal truth. This theory you have that a physical man is in someway ordained to be a go between or a priest for Christians is refuted in the book of Hebrews, and particularly in the following verses. *Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people", Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.". * While we are talking about the book Hebrews I challenge all Catholics to read this book. By doing this they will discover that the very practice you have mentioned were fulfilled in Christ. That the practice of a human priest being in someway privy to intercede between God and man. Also the practice you have mentioned of turning a cookie into the body and fermented (which always represents sin in the Bible) wine into the blood of Christ is heresy and goes completely against the Bible. When Jesus said it is finished on the cross he meant if is finished" To practice any thing else goes completely against scripture and contradicts Heb 10:10 âBy the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.â Notice once, not twice, not perpetually, (Heb 10:1 âFor the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.â) but once. You see what you are doing is what used to be practiced in the Old Testament under the law. That was because the animals blood was not perfect and hence were only a covering. However Jesus being that he was the perfect sacrifice finished forever the shedding of blood to cover sin. (II Corinthians 5:21 âFor he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.â) I apologize because I know this puts a lot of men out of a job.
Therefore the priesthood of the believer to intercede for the world as stated in I Peter 2:9 does not refer to two separate positions but one inclusive ability to approach God.
Heb 4:16 âLet (us) therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.â (Us=all)
Didnât have time to proof read. Please forgive any diction problems.
Alright, Iâll take this bait, but Iâm going to move it into a new topic in this forum so as to not derail this one furtherActually Peary I understand quite a bit about the Catholic Church. Fortunately I happen to know quite a bit more about the Bible.
First of all it is not the Popes job to be head over Gods Church It is Jesusâ and he does it quite well without help from the Pope. The stewardship you are referring to is given to the local church Pastor not a universal church Pope. Titus 1:6&7 Discusses such pastoral stewardship âIf any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;â Which by the way states the qualifications for the Steward to be married. Yet another contradiction between the Catholic church and the Word of God as this steward must also be married. Second if you think the Pope is not being worshiped by yourself and other Catholics then maybe you should look up the definition of worship.
(1. Honor; respect; civil deference. 2. obsequious or submissive respect. 3. To adore; to pay divine honors to; to reverence with supreme respect and veneration. 4. To respect; to honor; to treat with civil reverence. 5. 3. To honor with extravagant love and extreme submission 6. To perform acts of adoration.) As you can plainly see these very acts as defined in the Websters 1828 Dictionary takes place every day in the presence of and directed towards the Pope. Thirdly the Catholic church did not give us the Bible. As a matter of fact the Catholic church did everything in its power to keep it from being translated. Even to the point of making Martyrs of anyone attempting to do so making your theory that the Catholic Church gave us the bible a fallacy.
Fourthly I beg to differ with you about your point of view of the Priesthood. Even more importantly the Bible disagrees with you as well. In addition the catholic terms you mentioned âsacrament of confirmationâ âsacred chrismâ, âsacrament of holy ordersâ, and âChrist in the Eucharisticâ cannot be found in scripture therefore cannot be used to prove biblical and doctrinal truth. This theory you have that a physical man is in someway ordained to be a go between or a priest for Christians is refuted in the book of Hebrews, and particularly in the following verses. *Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people", Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.". * While we are talking about the book Hebrews I challenge all Catholics to read this book. By doing this they will discover that the very practice you have mentioned were fulfilled in Christ. That the practice of a human priest being in someway privy to intercede between God and man. Also the practice you have mentioned of turning a cookie into the body and fermented (which always represents sin in the Bible) wine into the blood of Christ is heresy and goes completely against the Bible. When Jesus said it is finished on the cross he meant if is finished" To practice any thing else goes completely against scripture and contradicts Heb 10:10 âBy the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.â Notice once, not twice, not perpetually, (Heb 10:1 âFor the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.â) but once. You see what you are doing is what used to be practiced in the Old Testament under the law. That was because the animals blood was not perfect and hence were only a covering. However Jesus being that he was the perfect sacrifice finished forever the shedding of blood to cover sin. (II Corinthians 5:21 âFor he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.â) I apologize because I know this puts a lot of men out of a job.
Therefore the priesthood of the believer to intercede for the world as stated in I Peter 2:9 does not refer to two separate positions but one inclusive ability to approach God.
Heb 4:16 âLet (us) therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.â (Us=all)
Didnât have time to proof read. Please forgive any diction problems.
Better yet, move it to a new thread so that this one can be freed from the yoke of protestant tyranny.
Amen to that, brother!Better yet, move it to a new thread so that this one can be freed from the yoke of protestant tyranny.
And I ditto that âAmenâ
my initial, rather lengthy, response to your post can be found here
My Dear brother in Christ, why donât you start a thread on that subject or anything else that youâd like to discuss so that we can continue with the topic of this thread here? Thatâs how the forums work. In all charity, Weâre supposed to stay on topic so that we can have a discussion about that subject. If you want to discuss another topic, please, just start a thread on that topic and donât derail this one.
I certainly donât feel very oppressed. To be honest, I quite enjoy being Catholic, even when its difficult. I imagine most other Catholics would feel the same way.
Onevoice what on earth are you doing on this forum? you have such antipathy for the Catholic faith and its adherence why not start a forum of your own and invite others who think like you. Im sorry I dont like you
