The next pope

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ProVobis said:
You would be right if the 1917 Canon Law had still been in effect, but the 1984 Canon Law was in effect in 1988 and the Archbishop had his “necessity” clause to follow through on. The fact that the Pope made himself the final decider on the issue didn’t change anything as he simply contradicted his own Canon Law. Referees don’t change the rules during the game; they merely enforce them.
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It doesn’t matter which Canon Law was in effect. “The Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” If the Pope says it changes things in the Church, it changes things. If you have an argument with that, take it up with the Lord himself. He is the one who gave Peter and his successors universal power over the Church.
 
Tsuwano said:
If the Pope says it changes things in the Church, it changes things.
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Apparently the local authorities don’t agree with you. But that’s regarding a different matter and you already know that.
 
Tsuwano said:
You seem to know so much about what a pope should do and what it means to be traditional that I’m somewhat surprised the Holy Spirit hasn’t called you to be pontiff. Imagine poor Paul VI and John Paul II; called by the Holy Spirit and yet not receiving any guidance from her, whereas Archbishop LeFebvre, inexplicably, received wisdom and grace that no one else in the Church leadership had access to. Not even the Vicar of Christ and his fellow bishops gathered in council! How proud the good Archbishop must have been!
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I wouldn’t qualify to be Pope.

And Archbishop LeFebvre atleast had the mind to tell John Paul II that by praying with people of all different religions he was breaking Tradition and sinning. Usually it should be the Pope telling people when they’re sinning, but things were backwards after Vatican II…
 
Tsuwano said:
It doesn’t matter which Canon Law was in effect. “The Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” If the Pope says it changes things in the Church, it changes things. If you have an argument with that, take it up with the Lord himself. He is the one who gave Peter and his successors universal power over the Church.
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It doesn’t mean the Lord agrees with everything the Popes do or say.
 
ProVobis said:
You would be right if the 1917 Canon Law had still been in effect, but the 1984 Canon Law was in effect in 1988 and the Archbishop had his “necessity” clause to follow through on. The fact that the Pope made himself the final decider on the issue didn’t change anything as he simply contradicted his own Canon Law. Referees don’t change the rules during the game; they merely enforce them.
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The Pope is the source of canon law and it’s final legal interpreter. He doesn’t make himself so, he simply IS so. He cannot contradict canon law, since he is it’s source and he is free to promulgate it, suspend it, revoke it, etc. If the Holy Father said no necessity existed, no necessity existed. AND there was an agreement with the SSPX, but the Archbishop reneged on it. As his been pointed out, Lefebreve excommunicated himself.
 
SpiritusSanctus said:
Numerous Popes have followed the thinking of their predecessors (John XXIII would be one exception) atleast to a point, but I still would not call JPII a Traditional Pope. He made no real effort to free the Traditionl Latin Mass. I read not too long ago that he was going to allow SSPX to do it at free will but the modernist Cardinals at the time complained about it and apparently were able to change his mind, because he actually went on to ex-communicate Archbishop LeFebvre. Ex-communicating such a person isn’t Traditional.
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I’d be careful about the sources from which I was reading.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
The Pope is the source of canon law and it’s final legal interpreter. He doesn’t make himself so, he simply IS so. He cannot contradict canon law, since he is it’s source and he is free to promulgate it, suspend it, revoke it, etc. If the Holy Father said no necessity existed, no necessity existed. AND there was an agreement with the SSPX, but the Archbishop reneged on it. As his been pointed out, Lefebreve excommunicated himself.
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Haven’t we already discussed this before? C’mon the Archbishop beat them at their own game and the Pope didn’t want to look beaten. Look at the excuses they used before and are using now to get out of the sex scandal charges, or is that a low blow?
 
ProVobis said:
Actually any male Catholic is qualified to be Pope. It’s pretty cool, I heard. I’ll check around for an online application for you, okay SS? 🙂
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Yes, technically any Catholic man can become Pope, but a Cardinal has always been elected since the Middle Ages.
 
ProVobis said:
Haven’t we already discussed this before? C’mon the Archbishop beat them at their own game and the Pope didn’t want to look beaten. Look at the excuses they used before and are using now to get out of the sex scandal charges, or is that a low blow?
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You don’t beat the Pope at canon law, because you can’t. He IS canon law (you need to get past our American idea of law or at least think of it in terms of this…the Constitution cannot trump the Constitution because it IS the Constitution). And yes, it’s a low blow…popes do not and cannot micro-manage the Church. Do you blame Piux XII for the abuse of minors that occured while he was pope?
 
ProVobis said:
. Look at the excuses they used before and are using now to get out of the sex scandal charges, or is that a low blow?
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JL: Since you down there blowing low, why don’t you post those so called excuses, I like to read them.
 
One hopes the next pope will be shepherd of the entire church and not simply one movement among many.🙂
 
tpw said:
One hopes the next pope will be shepherd of the entire church and not simply one movement among many.🙂
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JL: The pope is AWAYS shepherd of the entire Church regardless of ANY movements.
 
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