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Well this thread is about the Mormon church and its prophets and what they teach not the king James bible
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Kathleen18
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THE MORMON CHURCH mostly uses the KJV version of the bible. THE MORMON CHURCH also has The BOOK of LATTER-DAY SAINTS. The former being something I do not believe is accurate.
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BT3241
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Then there is no argument here - its not the Christian faith they teach.
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BT3241
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I wonder how they get past the first Chapter verse 1 in the Gospel of John:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
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Lemuel
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I have never heard of the Book of Latter Day Saints.
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TOmNossor
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Lemuel,NeuroTypical:
I have also been in 5 bishoprics and been a Branch President, taught seminary, served two missions, taught gospel doctrine several times, and been a temple ordinance worker and I was active for 57 years. What does all that matter?
Those closed doors would be high priest group meetings, bishopric meetings, Ward Council meetings, RS meetings, and sitting around the campfire at Father and Sons outings meetings, to name a few.
I am sorry for the horrible things you experienced as a LDS. Perhaps if my experience of the CoJCoLDS was as yours I would be quite sour on it too.
I have been in one Bishopric, but I was merely the Executive Secretary. I am not near so experienced as the two you you. It might be because I am not nuerotypical and people baffle the crap out of me, but that is a different story (I would feel very sorry for someone who came to me for counselling, oh the horror).
I am not sure I have ever heard a faithful member claim the the Catholic Church is what you reference from the BOM. I have of course read McConkie, but I think the copy I had was the one that was published after the Brethren removed the reference to the Catholic Church you speak about.
It is interesting that you are in this rarefied upper echelon where leaders speak behind closed doors AND yet you are unaware of the fact that the church censured the idea you claim is our secret belief.
I am aware. Surely most leaders are aware. MAYBE behind these closed doors the leaders are aware, but claim that the censure was not real it was just a publicity stunt. I cannot believe such is likely, but perhaps it would explain how your former church is so radically different from my current church.
Anyway, I am sorry for the horrible experience you had as a LDS, When I read the words of former LDS including your words, I sometimes cannot even recognize the church you left. It certainly doesn’t make it more likely I would leave this different church to which I belong.
Charity, TOm
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dallas_r
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dallas_r
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What the heck???
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chieft
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Not trying to be rude. Just trying to understand. Many, if not most of the members here are Catholic. The largest oldest established Christian church. There are more Catholics world wide than all the Mormons, Jehovah Witness and Protestants combined. What proof do the Mormon followers have to DEMONSTRATE these prophets have been chosen by God ?
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chieft
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Different Mormon churches hold different beliefs ? There is only one truth. Does that not make you wonder about your Church’s leadership ? Are you sure YOUR Mormon branch church teaches truth ?
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TOmNossor
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My experiences in the CoJCoLDS are remarkably positive in that there is a great deal of uniformity across geographic regions and time. I have attended church in 6 - 7 states and there is a very large degree of consistency. 2x per year all LDS listen to the same talks at the same time all over the world (there might be some time delays, but I have only done this in the United States).TOmNossor:
Different Mormon churches hold different beliefs ? There is only one truth. Does that not make you wonder about your Church’s leadership ?
It is my experience on the Internet and usually on the Internet with former/disaffected/anti- Mormons that leads me to believe that there is anything but a perfect unity.
I expect had I continued as a Catholic, or been more focused, I would have seen limited differences between my liberal high school parish and my more conservative college parish and my post college parishes. But I was Catholic for about 1 hour per week during college and I didn’t notice as much as I have as a committed LDS and as a non-Catholic observer.
It is because of my effort to learn about my church and the Catholic Church that I know of inconsistencies.
I have experienced differences in real life in my Catholic Church experiences (but many of these recent experiences are as a non-Catholic observer). I grew up in a very Liberal parish. My teenage years were spent with my family priest who within the last year or so has spoken about the conflicts he had with the old Arch-Bishop. The new Arch-Bishop (from Pope Francis) and he get along VERY well and there are other priests in the area who have conflicts with the new Arch-Bishop.
I worked with a wonderful Catholic lady whose husband hosted the Arch-Bishops Hour on Catholic radio. They were committed and conservative Catholics. The type I thought I should emulate if I were Catholic. I worked with other folks too. Michael taught me about his SSPX parish and told me I probably had never been to a real mass. I went to a Latin Mass at the local SSPX parish. It was interesting. I know 2 other folks who attend at SSPX parishes, but Michael now is a Sedavacantist. My father was a fairly conservative Catholic convert. My mother was more liberal (Catholic high school and Catholic College, but in the Washington D.C. area). Attending at the parish of my youth (I attended mass less than 2 months ago there) is at least one nun who advocates for female priests.
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TOmNossor
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Before Pope Francis was the Pope, I was CERTAIN that Catholic Answers and my female Catholic friend taught “real” Catholicism. I believed (and really still believe) there were/are varying degrees of problems with the folks on the liberal and “rad trad” side.
I tell you of these inconsistencies because they are real in the Catholic Church and in the CoJCoLDS. Over time my church, the CoJCoLDS, which still believes in continuing PUBLIC revelation changes more than the Catholic Church does, but across space and the limited time of my life the CoJCoLDS is quite consistent.
All that being said, I loved and still love my liberal Catholic priest from my childhood. He is a wonderful and caring man. The main parish deacon who taught my confirmation class was a former Navy Seal and a really great guy too. I didn’t run from the Catholic Church, I just found something I thought was more likely to be God’s church.
Charity, TOm
I tell you of these inconsistencies because they are real in the Catholic Church and in the CoJCoLDS. Over time my church, the CoJCoLDS, which still believes in continuing PUBLIC revelation changes more than the Catholic Church does, but across space and the limited time of my life the CoJCoLDS is quite consistent.
All that being said, I loved and still love my liberal Catholic priest from my childhood. He is a wonderful and caring man. The main parish deacon who taught my confirmation class was a former Navy Seal and a really great guy too. I didn’t run from the Catholic Church, I just found something I thought was more likely to be God’s church.
Charity, TOm
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guanophore
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I pray for these too, and all those who have fallen into the error of Mormonism, that the minds of their hearts would be enlightened, and they will turn to the One Faith given by Jesus.
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TOmNossor
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I do not claim we have objective proof.
I think we have evidences that can be shared with others.
I think we have reasons and arguments that are compelling.
And I think many LDS have subjective PROOF, but these are personal things that do not make apologetic arguments.
Evidences within the BOM and the witness statements concerning the BOM coming forth are compelling.
For a LDS, the argument that God lead His people through leaders who received Public Revelation and wrote scripture in the Old Testament times. Peter who received Public Revelation and wrote scripture in the New Testament times. And LDS leaders who receive Public Revelation and write scripture as the SUCCESSOR of Peter in Restoration Testament times. Are IMO compelling.
And of course, I think the Bible asks us to KNOCK. Tells us to ask God. Says God is good and will not give us a rock when we so plead for …. Many LDS have received PROOF for themselves that couldn’t be undone. This is the subjective PROOF.
But, I do not claim there is proof. I do not argue here at Catholic Answers that folks should become LDS or that there is proof that the CoJCoLDS is God’s church. I merely suggest that the derision that is directed towards the CoJCoLDS here at Catholic Answers is unfounded (but is similar to the way Christ Church was treated by the Greeks and Jews originally).
Charity, TOm
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guanophore
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Of course they must believe such things, otherwise abandon this folly and come to the One Church founded by Christ!
One has to wonder why a Mormon would come to a Catholic site to promote Mormonism, and pander such believes about Catholics. What might a MOrmon hope to gain?
Let us, then, in all earnestness, pray that they are converted.
May God spare us from any such fate!
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TOmNossor
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When Jesus returns may we all join together in one faith and follow Him!
I have little doubt that Christ will show me some of my mistakes and I hope to follow Him on that day more perfectly than I attempt to follow Him today.
Charity, TOm
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There is no one here who believes that the CoJCoLDS is God’s church and who “pander such beliefs about Catholics.”Lemuel:
One has to wonder why a Mormon would come to a Catholic site to promote Mormonism, and pander such believes about Catholics. What might a MOrmon hope to gain?
My hope is that I dispel the idea that a whole host of things that are called beliefs of the CoJCoLDS by anti-Mormons, exMormons, and a whole host of folks who do not believe the CoJCoLDS is God’s church are in fact LDS beliefs. Things are seldom as they are portrayed by this group of non-LDS teachers of Mormonism. What I hope to gain is that some choose to believe that LDS believe and teach what we claim to believe and teach not what is claimed by those who wish to label and malign us.
I would think I would find a sympathetic ear to such a desire among Catholics. Alas, frequently this is not the case.
Charity, TOm
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