The Nuns’ Story

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This story jumped out and smacked me between the eyeballs this morning.

I’ve been looking for an article to respond to. (I need it for my English class.)

If anyone has any resource recommendations for arguing against this article, please feel fee to mention them!! 😃
 
TraderTif said:
This story jumped out and smacked me between the eyeballs this morning.

I’ve been looking for an article to respond to. (I need it for my English class.)

If anyone has any resource recommendations for arguing against this article, please feel fee to mention them!! 😃
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First, this is not an article – it is a diatribe (there is a difference!)

Next, make the observation that it is filled with irrelevant ad hominem attacks.

Then, detail the theology of nuns and sisters (there is a difference, one which the author of the diatribe clearly does not know) and that they are Brides of Christ, etc.

Then, demonstrate how so many of them have been in great positions of authority, especially in centuries past when abbesses and prioresses were very influential (basically running large, even multi-national organizations).

Then go from there!

And don’t forget to post your rebuttal here, and why not send it in to the NYTimes?
 
I forced myself to read this column, but can’t respond. I am afraid I get too angry to respond to pure evil. Feminism can be evil. It does not need to be, just look at Sarah Palin. I am sorry, but I just can’t say anything nice here, so I am on to other threads.
 
Lepanto said:
First, this is not an article – it is a diatribe (there is a difference!)
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lol, I understand…but I suspect that my teacher may not agree…(my grade in this class is high enough that I’m willing to risk “offending” my professor, lol.)
Next, make the observation that it is filled with irrelevant ad hominem attacks.
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Yup!
Then, detail the theology of nuns and sisters (there is a difference, one which the author of the diatribe clearly does not know) and that they are Brides of Christ, etc.
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I’ll see what I can fit in, it’s a pretty short paper…
Then, demonstrate how so many of them have been in great positions of authority, especially in centuries past when abbesses and prioresses were very influential (basically running large, even multi-national organizations).
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Then go from there!
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Yup, yup!!
And don’t forget to post your rebuttal here, and why not send it in to the NYTimes?
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My mom was just telling me that this morning. 👍
 
Make sure you present your arguments well, cite your resources, etc. You realize that responding to this is a can of worms, don’t you? 🙂 I say go for it.

My son is in the middle of writing a term paper against euthanasia.

I would research Susan B. Anthony and the Suffragette movement, Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger. That should get you started.

I would also research the Humanist Manfestos I and II.
 
Ceil-1 said:
Make sure you present your arguments well, cite your resources, etc. You realize that responding to this is a can of worms, don’t you? 🙂 I say go for it.
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😃 That’s ok; I’m rather fond of worms actually…
My son is in the middle of writing a term paper against euthanasia.
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I spent last semester coming up with a good anti-euthanasia presentation. (It was a group project, and I had to argue against all 4 other group members. I felt very uncomfortable…but I got an A, and they all ended up with C’s or worse, so I must have done something right!!) 👍
I would research Susan B. Anthony and the Suffragette movement, Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger. That should get you started.
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I would also research the Humanist Manfestos I and II.
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Hmmm…I have info on all of the above lying around here somewhere…(if only I had as much enthusiasm for cleaning as I do for opening cans of worms, lol.) 😛
 
You should get an A just for choosing such an interesting topic.
 
Don’t forget the factual errors like:
Papa is even willing to bend Rome’s most doggedly held dogma, against married priests
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:ehh::doh2:
Married priests is not dogma, but a discipline.:dts: And the Easter Catholic Rites (which are under the pope) allow married priests. :rolleyes: I would be really embarrassed if I was this author.
 
Fitz said:
I forced myself to read this column, but can’t respond. I am afraid I get too angry to respond to pure evil. Feminism can be evil. It does not need to be, just look at Sarah Palin. I am sorry, but I just can’t say anything nice here, so I am on to other threads.
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Me too. I spent all afternoon trying to come up with a nice response. 🤷

One interesting point, or a silver lining, though, is that they said the average age is 70. With more traditional orders (like the Nashville Dominicans - they were at our parish today talking to the grade school students - I think the confirmation class at the 9am Mass had something to do with it) getting new postulants, it’s almost like it’s time for the forest to be cleared to allow for new growth.

It’s kind of sad, though, when looking at all of the non-cloistered orders and seeing that, not only do they not wear habits (which I think is the main reason they’re not attracting new postulants - no one knows they’re a sister!), over 90% of the sisters in any given order look like they’re over 60. In some orders, 1/3 look like they don’t have long for the world.

There’s a local Benedictine order that does parish work at our parish and other parishes (1 sister to parish, I think), and their convent has 13 sisters who have to be over 65, if not 70. They recently had a “Come and See” Monastic Weekend, but didn’t get enough interest. Only 1 is maybe in her 30s or 40s. In 20 years, will it even still be around? Even in 10 years, they might not be able to drive to even get to parishes.
 
Jennifer_G said:
There’s a local Benedictine order that does parish work at our parish and other parishes (1 sister to parish, I think), and their convent has 13 sisters who have to be over 65, if not 70. They recently had a “Come and See” Monastic Weekend, but didn’t get enough interest. Only 1 is maybe in her 30s or 40s. In 20 years, will it even still be around? Even in 10 years, they might not be able to drive to even get to parishes.
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Yes, this is a real problem. Few young women want to join an abbey where most of the women are 40 years older than they are. It does create a barrier.
 
Jennifer_G said:
Me too. I spent all afternoon trying to come up with a nice response. 🤷

One interesting point, or a silver lining, though, is that they said the average age is 70. With more traditional orders (like the Nashville Dominicans - they were at our parish today talking to the grade school students - I think the confirmation class at the 9am Mass had something to do with it) getting new postulants, it’s almost like it’s time for the forest to be cleared to allow for new growth.

It’s kind of sad, though, when looking at all of the non-cloistered orders and seeing that, not only do they not wear habits (which I think is the main reason they’re not attracting new postulants - no one knows they’re a sister!), over 90% of the sisters in any given order look like they’re over 60. In some orders, 1/3 look like they don’t have long for the world.

There’s a local Benedictine order that does parish work at our parish and other parishes (1 sister to parish, I think), and their convent has 13 sisters who have to be over 65, if not 70. They recently had a “Come and See” Monastic Weekend, but didn’t get enough interest. Only 1 is maybe in her 30s or 40s. In 20 years, will it even still be around? Even in 10 years, they might not be able to drive to even get to parishes.
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Yes, you have a very good point. The newer orders are more conservative. I know of one new order in St. Louis by Sr. Rosalind Moss, who will be starting this new order after she finishes a year novitiate. The order proposed order, Daughters of Mary, Mother of Israel’s Hope, will be based in St. Louis I think. I guess we need to keep praying for vocations.: :gopray2:
 
I know it’s op-ed but doesn’t the NYT do any fact checking any more? The errors in simple facts are inexcusible. Ms. Dowd is considered a moderate voice but she has gone off the reservation with her last few columns. :mad:
 
Corki said:
I know it’s op-ed but doesn’t the NYT do any fact checking any more? The errors in simple facts are inexcusible. Ms. Dowd is considered a moderate voice but she has gone off the reservation with her last few columns. :mad:
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WOW, moderate? I have not ready any moderate columns that she has written. She has always seemed far left to me.
 
Fitz said:
WOW, moderate? I have not ready any moderate columns that she has written. She has always seemed far left to me.
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I think she is generally left of center, but she isn’t consistent.
 
This nun is a heretic and we should all pray for her. The Vatican’s doctrinal assessment of the LCWR is timely because many of this nun’s views infect this group.

God Bless,

Iowa Mike
 
TraderTif said:
I’ve been looking for an article to respond to. (I need it for my English class.) If anyone has any resource recommendations for arguing against this article, please feel fee to mention them!! 😃
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Here is an idea: argue against it by arguing for it…with satire.

Here is the title: “Resolved: The Pope Should Be Excommunicated”

Then go through all the various ways that the Pope is flagrantly violating NY Times dogma, this editorial is just one example. Take the voice of the NY Times Inquisitor and nail the Pope for heresy against secular humanism.
 
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