The oddity of the LGBT alliance

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That’s the title of the article in The Catholic Thing. But what struck me most in reading through the article was not the LGBT alliance. No, what struck me most was the realization that I never expected to live long enough to witnes the descent of western culture into insanity.

Not only has it rejected Christianity (and therefore its roots,) it rejects God, and it even rejects nature, leaving nothing but subjective chaos. Those born into such an insane society might barely notice the insanity, but those who were born before the culture fully entered the asylum cannot help but notice.

 
True fact:
Once upon a time, L, G, and B didn’t like to be associated with T.
T was seen as an embarrassment and a nuisance (I think because straight and cis people had a lot of confusion among the definitions of transvestite, transexual and homosexual).
 
I’m so grateful for having known normal.And to have taught my children best as I could about normal.
And for my parents knowing normal.
I feel deeply for all those being born into a distortion and not knowing normal.
God bless us all
 
I agree with you and feel the same way. As I read the LGBT agenda is being forced into our schools at younger and younger ages I cannot imagine the confusion this can cause. Some of the stories of the outcome of such “teaching” is so sad to me. One young elementary school student was noted to have been so upset that she would turn into a boy after a teacher had a girl dress up as a boy in some California class she walked in the door at home sobbing.

Another incident is the “Drag Queens” reading to children in a library with public funding. Imagine having to hear about out the different gender names for those with various gender identities.

I don’t have the links but it was noted on this forum.

I pray for our youth for stability in this chaotic world.
 
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I hate to say it, but for decades, the stable Christian world you are talking about did little to care for children who didn’t fit in – indeed, the “stable Christian world” gradually gave excuses for divorce and other forms of “acceptable” deviations from the old norms. Even now, there is essentially no Christian outreach to teenagers who struggle with sexual orientation or gender identity. NONE.

Perhaps we should stop wringing our hands and saying that the sky is falling, and get out there on the battlefield with some bandages.
 
I think we as a Catholic Church could take heed to your words and offer some sort of outreach to care for those with sexual orientation or gender identity issue especially as children/teens. They could use tremendous support.

We do have the organization called COURAGE but I don’t know enough about it frankly to see if it’s helpful or geared in any way to teens , or young adults.

Good point.
 
MaryT777 said:
I think we as a Catholic Church could take heed to your words and offer some sort of outreach to care for those with sexual orientation or gender identity issue especially as children/teens. They could use tremendous support.

We do have the organization called COURAGE but I don’t know enough about it frankly to see if it’s helpful or geared in any way to teens , or young adults.

Good point.
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I’m an on-and-off member of Courage, and they have no outreach to teens. Indeed, I think people are too spooked by the idea of adults working with troubled youth – the danger of false accusations and genuine abuse are real – to help the young people who need help. Frankly, though it isn’t popular to say it, children may have been better off when there were no protections against priestly abuse and the like. The policies we have put in place to protect children also cause there to be less of a chance for needy children to have the types of relationships they need, with mature and responsible adults. Meanwhile, because of these problems, the next generation of adults is less likely to HAVE adults who are genuinely mature and responsible. It’s a vicious cycle.

Meanwhile, LGBT groups embrace these kids with open arms, and are willing to listen to them and not immediately demand that they change. If we had groups in the Church that did THAT, we would make a lot more progress. We need to think back to our own teenage years, where we wanted someone to listen and understand us. Some Catholic youth groups are doing this, but I’m afraid not many. The idea is not to avoid talking about sin, but rather to realize that when you’re talking about a person’s developing identity, immediately focusing on sin will just lead them to hate themselves, which will further encourage the sin.
 
Words of wisdom indeed. I went to nursing school and one day (back in the 80’s) we had 8 people come and speak to us about their experience as teens and young adults growing up as gay 4 women, 4 men.

It was actually horrifying how many then (I pray it’s more understood today) had been disowned, kicked out of the house and the worse one was a “dad” who told his son "It’s fine if you are gay but I will pay you BIG BUCKS to leave this town and never come back"because he was mayor of a small town and didn’t want this to reflect poorly on him.

The others had equally sad stories about their failure to feel accepted, being called names, being bullies and also one whose friend who had committed suicide with a letter that said to his parents,
“I am sorry I am gay, now you won’t have to blame yourselves anymore for how I turned out.”

I will PRAY that we reach out as a Catholic Church to these youth that struggle. It is so sad more is not being done.

God bless.
 
Indeed it’s horrifying. Some parents who disown their kids because they struggle with SSA, say that they Chose to be this way and that they believe God wouldn’t create anyone this way (the fall caused this).
I think one of the things we need to do is educate the parents of today on what God and his Church says about people who struggle with SSA. I think this, because they would have a better understanding of why their child is like this and avoid the misunderstanding that God wouldn’t accept them. We also need more help for teenagers who struggle with this. It would benefit them if they got help at an early age so that way they can avoid what secular society would try to preach to them.
 
It’s not clear to me, that if you are going to validate it (SSA), how you can avoid the consequences of what the “secular society” would preach to them. If it’s not wrong, then it is OK, and if it is OK then it should follow that marriage, adoption, and all of the other things which make it different from heterosexual unions only in the basic biological and physical functions of the sex act.
 
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It’s not clear to me, that if you are going to validate it (SSA), how you can avoid the consequences of what the “secular society” would preach to them. If it’s not wrong, then it is OK, and if it is OK then it should follow that marriage, adoption, and all of the other things which make it different from heterosexual unions only in the basic biological and physical functions of the sex act.
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I wouldn’t validate SSA as something normal, and it is disordered but not active sinning (I’m speaking about the lustful part and wanting to engage in Homosexual acts) When I meant avoid, I should have said that youth would not be so easily seduced by what secular society would show them. This can be done if we show them what God and his Church truly says about their struggle and how to deal with it. In doing this we could possibly bring these people to the Church rather loosing them because of messed up opinions about the Church and God that are commonly shown by secular society and the LGBT Community.
 
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The article makes some good points but ends with what appears to be a jab at Fr. Martin,
Yet some Catholics believe we need to “build a bridge” to this movement.
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Just this morning, I finished reading Fr. Martin’s book, Building a Bridge: How the Catholic Church and the LGBT Community Can Enter into a Relationship of Respect, Compassion, and Sensitivity. The book is about building a bridge to people, not to a movement. Most of the book is about respect, compassion, and sensitivity, not only of the Church toward LGBT people, but also of LBGT people toward the Church.

I don’t see anything in the book about making changes to doctrine or whatever it is that the detrators are afraid of. The book is about reaching out to LGBT men and women, LGBT brothers and sisters, LGBT people, LGBT Catholics, and yes, the LGBT community. It’s about building faith and meeting spiritual needs. Quite a lot of the book is about prayer.

I didn’t find the book to be very theologically deep or challenging. It is more of a practical guide for the Church (including the laity) to meet and walk beside LGBT people on their faith journeys.
 
Sadly, these stories of kids getting kicked out on the streets and being suicidal over parental rejection still happen a lot.
And a lot of these kids, once kicked out, end up having to depend for their support on older adults who often, though not always, take advantage of them or exploit them in some way.
 
Peter_M said:
It’s not clear to me, that if you are going to validate it (SSA), how you can avoid the consequences of what the “secular society” would preach to them. If it’s not wrong, then it is OK, and if it is OK then it should follow that marriage, adoption, and all of the other things which make it different from heterosexual unions only in the basic biological and physical functions of the sex act.
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I don’t think you understand what SSA is. It is not a narrow desire for sex. It is (for a man) a desire for affection, love, affirmation and belonging from men. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE WITHIN GOD’S PLAN FOR EVERY MAN. Those are goods. Seeking those things in a sexual relationship is unhealthy and wrong. But the idea that nothing about SSA is to be validated strikes me as false. The good therapists who work with SSA patients DO validate our need for same-sex love and affection. And if you’re working with a gay teenager, why do you have to “lead” with the “no”? Why not “lead” with the yes: YES, God wants you to love and be loved by men. Now let’s look at what this means, and let’s ask the question whether sex adds anything important to the kind of love you need.
 
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The author lists five things which are being normalized: homosexuality, child abandonment, bodily mutilation, suicide, and transgenderism. Things which a prior age would have considered against nature. More could be listed. The normalization of suicide leads to euthanasia. |It was preceded by the normalization of abortion. This movement, the author says, “lies at the intersection of the sexual revolution and the anti-nature movement. As part of the sexual revolution, it is anti-Christianity. And as part of the anti-nature movement, it is anti-God. It is, therefore, a double threat to Catholicism.”

But a movement which is at base anti-God and anti-nature is not just a threat to Catholicism. It is a threat to the general culture and to civilization.

Daniel Mattson recently wrote a book titled “Why I Don’t Call Myself Gay,” but it didn’t get as much publicity as Fr. Martin’s book. It seems to me that both books are important.
 
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Daniel Mattson recently wrote a book titled “Why I Don’t Call Myself Gay,” but it didn’t get as much publicity as Fr. Martin’s book. It seems to me that both books are important.
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I really want to read that book from Daniel Mattson! But I’m worried my parents will not buy it for me.
 
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Daniel Mattson writes quite a lot online, in various places, for example here. I hope you are able to get his book, maybe at least from the library.
 
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I really want to read that book from Daniel Mattson! But I’m worried my parents will not buy it for me.
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I know Dan. He’s a great guy. I might be able to look into whether he could get you one for free. Also, Washed and Waiting by Wesley Hill is a great book.
 
I felt the same way about Building A Bridge. It baffles me that so many Catholics are threatened by Fr. Martin and what he is trying to do.
 
As a man with same-sex attraction trying to be chaste, I must say that Father Martin does not seem to be encouraging me to be chaste. That may be the objection.
 
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