The Old Testament

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Dear Vince, this may help you with your misunderstanding of the word “inerrant”:
catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0512bt.asp

The Church certainly has many Catechisms not just one! And she certainly would not appreciate you treating the text of any of them in such a fundamentalist way.
 
But what does that mean. Consider it could mean that the history is accurate, and I would go along with that. It could mean that it can be used for teaching, the history is accurate and you must not do that i.e., kill babies and say it was God’s will. But does it mean that God wanted those babies killed even though they were totally innocent. In which case was what Jesus said wrong, It is better that a millstone be tied round your neck etc. It is conflicting. I see Jesus as The Truth, The Way, and The Life, so the OT is inerrent in that it is accurate, not necessarily that we should be copying it.

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There are several scriptures which may help us in understanding some of these difficult historical stories in the OT.

Wisdom 2:23-24 “For God formed man to be imperishable; the image of his own nature he made him. But by the envy of the devil, death entered the world, and they who are in his possession experience it.”

Wisdom 3:1-4 “But the souls of the just are in the hand of God, and no torment shall touch them. They seemed, in the view of the foolish, to be dead; and their passing away was thought an affliction and their going forth from us, utter destruction. For if before men, indeed, they be punished, yet is their hope full of immortality; “

Matt. 10:28 “And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.”

Thus, we see that the destiny of our souls is more precious in the eyes of our heavenly God, than the sufferings in this present time, or even the destruction of our mortal bodies.

What happens when evil grows from one generation to the next? Here is what scripture has to say about the days of Noah: Gen.6:5 ‘When the LORD saw how great was man’s wickedness on earth, and how no desire that his heart conceived was ever anything but evil, he regretted that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was grieved.

Here is the description of Israel before its judgment or chastisement as compared with Sodom and Gomorrah: Ezekiel 16:48-50 “As I live, says the LORD GOD, I swear that your sister Sodom, with her daughters, has not done as you and your daughters have done! And look at the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters were proud, sated with food, complacent in their prosperity, and they gave no help to the poor and needy. Rather, they became haughty and committed abominable crimes in my presence; then, as you have seen, I removed them.”

Here is what the apostle Paul says about the last days: 2 Tim. 3:1-5 “But understand this: there will be terrifying times in the last days. People will be self-centered and lovers of money, proud, haughty, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, irreligious, callous, implacable, slanderous, licentious, brutal, hating what is good, traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, as they make a pretense of religion but deny its power. Reject them.”

The great accuser, Satan, accuses God for not be just toward the proud sinners, as He was with Satan. However, God is long-suffering, “He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that they would turn from their evil ways and live.” “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” His mercy is being extended to all of us.

We are stewards of God’s creation and we have failed. We are now experimenting with His creation. We are genetically combining animal genes with other animal genes, even with human genes. How long will it be until God’s creation will be completed distorted by man? I don’t know what happened to God’s creation in the days of Noah, or in the days of Joshua (who is a type of Jesus when he returns) in order for ‘innocent women and children’ and even animals to be destroyed. I do know that God is just and He is merciful.
 
Dear Vince, this may help you with your misunderstanding of the word “inerrant”:
catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0512bt.asp

The Church certainly has many Catechisms not just one! And she certainly would not appreciate you treating the text of any of them in such a fundamentalist way.
Didn’t help, but thanks anyway.

Yes, there are many “catechisms” but only one universal Catechism for the Catholic Church. And it uses “without error” (in context) and does not use “inerrant” (which is so often used without any context).
 
Didn’t help, but thanks anyway.

Yes, there are many “catechisms” but only one universal Catechism for the Catholic Church.
Incorrect, there are many.
And it uses “without error” (in context) and does not use “inerrant” (which is so often used without any context).
I can’t decide which is funnier, your objection to “inerrant” or the objection by the bloke on this thread
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=495488&page=8
who says that he agrees with the Church that same-sex attraction is a disorder, but claims that the abbreviation “SSAD” is “insulting” and “wrong”. I’m not going to waste any more time repeating myself to either of you.
 
Incorrect, there are many.
You mean there are many universal Catechisms? Please share them! Thanks!

To my knowledge, there is only one universal Catechism of the Catholic Church, as promulgated by the Vatican. I am referring to the Catechism on the Vatican (and many other’s) website vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

Again, if you know of additional authoritative and universal Catholic Catechisms…please share! Thanks.
 
Seems to confirm what I thought (regardless of the value of the link), there is ONE universal catechism for Roman Catholics.

Do you disagree?
No. The “ONE” you refer to even copies its basic layout ( based on:
The Apostles’ Creed;
The Sacraments;
The Decalogue;
Prayer, especially The Lord’s Prayer",
on the Roman Catechism. Which has not been abrogated or revoked and remains a universal Catechism applicable to the whole Catholic Church .
 
No. The “ONE” you refer to even copies its basic layout ( based on:
The Apostles’ Creed;
The Sacraments;
The Decalogue;
Prayer, especially The Lord’s Prayer",
on the Roman Catechism. Which has not been abrogated or revoked and remains a universal Catechism applicable to the whole Catholic Church .
If it is a Roman Catechism then I doubt it applies to the whole Catholic Church, but rather only the Roman Catholic Church.
 
If it is a Roman Catechism then I doubt it applies to the whole Catholic Church, but rather only the Roman Catholic Church.
There is no such church. The Catholic Church is the real name of the Church which some anti-Catholic bigots refer to as “the Roman Catholic Church”.
 
No. The “ONE” you refer to even copies its basic layout ( based on:
The Apostles’ Creed;
The Sacraments;
The Decalogue;
Prayer, especially The Lord’s Prayer",
on the Roman Catechism. Which has not been abrogated or revoked and remains a universal Catechism applicable to the whole Catholic Church .
We may be misunderstanding one another?

I’m referring to a book, a text, whatever, known as a “catechism.” The most recent universal Roman Catechism was issued authoritatively by Pope John Paul II in 1992.

The Creeds, the Sacraments, the 10 Commandments, prayers (especially the Lord’s Prayer of course) are not the same as a “catechism.”

Of course, all elements of the Church’s life (prayer, sacraments, laws, etc.) have catechetical value and purpose.

And, again, the “Roman” Catechism only applies to the Roman Catholic Church, not the whole Catholic Church.
 
There is no such church. The Catholic Church is the real name of the Church which some anti-Catholic bigots refer to as “the Roman Catholic Church”.
I don’t understand.

The Catholic Church is one, holy, apostolic, and of course “catholic.” However, not all Catholics are Roman Catholics. There are 22 (or 23…I always misremember) different Rites in the Catholic Church, the most common (by number of people) is the Roman Catholic one.

Can you please clarify what you mean? Thanks.
 
We may be misunderstanding one another?

I’m referring to a book, a text, whatever, known as a “catechism.”
And I’m referring to its layout. You can’t be very familiar with it if you don’t realise how it is organised.
 
I don’t understand.

The Catholic Church is one, holy, apostolic, and of course “catholic.” However, not all Catholics are Roman Catholics. There are 22 (or 23…I always misremember) different Rites in the Catholic Church, the most common (by number of people) is the Roman Catholic one.

Can you please clarify what you mean? Thanks.
They are called “Particular churches”, not “Rites”. The most common by number of people is the Latin church, also less commonly called the Western church. The Latin church has several rites - Roman, Ambrosian, Mozarabic etc. It is not called “Roman Catholic” which is an insult invented by Anglicans, to refer to ALL Catholics. . The term is never officialy used by the Catholic Church, except in joint Anglican-Catholic ecumenical bodies.
 
And I’m referring to its layout. You can’t be very familiar with it if you don’t realise how it is organised.
There are many catechisms. They have different layouts. Are you familiar with many?
 
They are called “Particular churches”, not “Rites”. The most common by number of people is the Latin church, also less commonly called the Western church. The Latin church has several rites - Roman, Ambrosian, Mozarabic etc. It is not called “Roman Catholic” which is an insult invented by Anglicans, to refer to ALL Catholics. . The term is never officialy used by the Catholic Church, except in joint Anglican-Catholic ecumenical bodies.
There are both “particular churches” and “rites.” Many “particular churches” use the same “rites.” Many who use a certain “rite” are not “particular churches.” I know the terms are often using somewhat ambiguously, they admit of different understandings. Thanks for the clarification.

I know the Latin Church has several Rites, yet it is still far too common for people to refer to “Roman Catholics” without understanding the juridical and liturgical specifics that are accurate. I don’t know whether anyone using such terms (as most Roman Catholic parishes do) intend insult.
 
Please permit me to ask a question. It is also related to the OT. It’s about ages. E.g.

[BIBLEDRB]Gen 5:25[/BIBLEDRB]

Is 187 years at that time equivalent to what we would consider as 187 years today?
 
Please permit me to ask a question. It is also related to the OT. It’s about ages. E.g.

[BIBLEDRB]Gen 5:25[/BIBLEDRB]

Is 187 years at that time equivalent to what we would consider as 187 years today?
Maybe. Maybe not.
 
There are many catechisms. They have different layouts. Are you familiar with many?
Yes, I’m just saying that the 1994 C of the CC has the same layout as The Roman Catechsim, presumably this was a deliberate copy of the layout.
 
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