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Lapell
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I take it Muhammad must have accepted that the Virgin Mary was Jesus’mother, but does he specifically refers to her as the Virgin Mary? And to the virgin birth of Jesus as such?
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inJESUS
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not to my knowledge. It is implied though not addressed with the words you wrote.
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Verisimilitude
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Let those (believers) who **sell the life of this world **for the Hereafter fight in the Cause of Allah, and whoso fights in the Cause of Allah, and is killed or gets victory, We shall bestow on him a great reward.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #74)
How would you view that text from the Quran?
Ibn 'Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me) ; kill him. (Book #041, Hadith #6981)~Muslim
If people are prepared to die for a cause (allahs Cause) then they likely speak valid reasons even if they are considered misguided by others. We should listen to what they say.
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inJESUS
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Lapell
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Maybe… unless they are just repeating the words of their group leader who may be using the Qur’an in a most improper way? This possibility should be left out so easily if we want tobe truly fair…
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Lapell
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I just meant to say that those who want to say that Muhammad said this or that should prove through authentic sources that he did say it… not merely repeat what some people say. I wasn’t aiming at you, inJesus, don’t worry!
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grandfather
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Islam is a religion that was established by warfare. That is not disputed by anyone. It is history and Mohamed directed that it be so. I don’t have time to dig up references on what is common knowledge. He called for the mutilation of bodies of enemies in revenge. The martyrs of Islam are warriors whether they are suicide bombers or not.
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Sister_Amy
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The first martyr of Islam was a woman named Sumayyah. She was not a soldier, but she was a Muslim being persecuted by the people of Mecca. She was actually tied up on the ground under the sun, her limbs being pulled from her body, and when she refused to denounce her belief in Islam, her tormenter stabbed her with a spear through her…
The first martyr in Islam.
Not a soldier. A tortured woman.
So my dear ‘grandfather’ perhaps you can kindly reconsider your assertions on martyrdom in Islam.
The first martyr in Islam.
Not a soldier. A tortured woman.
So my dear ‘grandfather’ perhaps you can kindly reconsider your assertions on martyrdom in Islam.
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Angelos
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This one example does not change the fact that the notion of martyrdom in Islam is based on wars. Although the Koran says nothing about that supposed “female” martyr, it associates martyrdom with battling for Islam:
Surah 3:168-169
Those who, while they sat at home, said of their brethren (who were fighting for the cause of Allah): If they had been guided by us they would not have been slain. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Then avert death from yourselves if ye are truthful.Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision.
Surah 4:74
Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.
Surah 4:95
Those of the believers who sit still, other than those who have a (disabling) hurt, are not on an equality with those who strive in the way of Allah with their wealth and lives. Allah hath conferred on those who strive with their wealth and lives a rank above the sedentary.
Now we know for sure which verses suicide bombers generally recite
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Verisimilitude
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Things are often more simple than they are made out to be. Can you put any of those verses in a proper/fair way?
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inJESUS
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i know i was just responding in a general way.
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swariffin
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Yes, indeed. Perhaps you are correct, sister. Sumayyah was a martyr even from the standard Christianity. But, if she ever met Muhammad wherever in the other world, he would blame her for not using the Taqiyya as allowed in Quran. That shows that Sumayyah had not read the entire Quran.
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inJESUS
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interesting point of view.
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DavidMark
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I see you are/were in a state of uncertainty. But others were in a state of certainty until death, somehow confirmed by the spirit of Gabriel, who came to Daniel, Mary and Muhammad and Baha’u’llah, who had a Book called The Book of Certitude, revealed in two days of uncorrected and unedited dictation. I suggest you read it answer your question rightly.How can I be sure it [the quran]
came from God?
How did muhammad convince others that it was from God?
How can a person put their soul on the line and say “I believe you”?
It might be easier for one if it came from many people; but why “one man”? God has never done that before.
For the converts what made you revert and stay?
How can one believe this one man? this one human man? This one sinner?
reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/KI/ki-1.html
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Kaninchen
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Thread archeology is much more fun for everybody else when the person doing it starts off by rowing with people who have been banned.
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Usbek_de_Perse
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I am a former Baha’i, and thus a former believer in the truth of the Qur’an and prophethood of Muhammad (alayhi salaam). ** I do not believe in this anymore.**How can I be sure it [the quran]
came from God?
How did muhammad convince others that it was from God?
How can a person put their soul on the line and say “I believe you”?
It might be easier for one if it came from many people; but why “one man”? God has never done that before.
For the converts what made you revert and stay?
How can one believe this one man? this one human man? This one sinner?
Therefore, let me say if you read the Qur’an, you will be astounded by the depth and profundity of much of its discourse. A Muslim finds in the Qur’an the same solace and confirmation of faith that a Christian finds in the Bible.
Again, I say this as a non-believer who has read from the Qur’an in Arabic, along with some of the tafsir (commentaries). Belittling Islam is foolish for Christians. Understanding Islam is harder, because it involves real study, and a willingness to accept that there are reasons people are Muslim. A good book is Muhammand, Prophet and Statesman, by William Montgomery Watt. It offers a dispassionate look at the life of Muhammad. Watt, now deceased, was a priest in the Scottish Episcopal Church. His book has been praised for its objectivity by Muslim scholars.
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ralphinal
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Amen
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StevieD
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A non-Muslim has only a few ways to view Mohammed, like Joseph Smith Jr (the founder of the Mormon ‘church’). They were either 1. Delusional, 2. Bad or 3. Subject to satanic ‘revelations’.
According to the Ven Mary of Agreda, it appears that the latter is the case for Mohammed and taking a close look at the precepts of Islam and the contents of the Koran (war is glorified, slavery permitted etc), this appears to be the truth.
PS - Why would a genuine investigator into Islam ask this question on a Catholic forum?
According to the Ven Mary of Agreda, it appears that the latter is the case for Mohammed and taking a close look at the precepts of Islam and the contents of the Koran (war is glorified, slavery permitted etc), this appears to be the truth.
PS - Why would a genuine investigator into Islam ask this question on a Catholic forum?
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DavidMark
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Nothing compares to Verses from the Incomparable. The Verses are their own proof:
Say: O people! Fear ye God, and allow not your tongues to utter, in their deceitfulness, that which displeaseth Him. Stand abashed before the One Who, as ye well know, hath created you out of a drop of water.
Say: We have created all that are in heaven and on earth in the nature made by God. Whosoever turneth unto this blessed Countenance shall manifest the potentialities of that inborn nature, and whosoever remaineth veiled therefrom shall be deprived of this invisible and all-encompassing grace.
Verily, there is naught from which Our favour hath been withheld, inasmuch as We have dealt equitably in the fashioning of each and all, and by a word of Our mouth presented unto them the trust of Our love.
They that have accepted it are indeed safe and secure, and are numbered among those who are immune from the terrors of this Day. Those, however, who have rejected it have, in truth, disbelieved in God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting.
Thus do We distinguish between the people and pronounce judgement upon them. We, of a certainty, have the power to discern.(Baha’u’llah, The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 22)
Say: O people! Fear ye God, and allow not your tongues to utter, in their deceitfulness, that which displeaseth Him. Stand abashed before the One Who, as ye well know, hath created you out of a drop of water.
Say: We have created all that are in heaven and on earth in the nature made by God. Whosoever turneth unto this blessed Countenance shall manifest the potentialities of that inborn nature, and whosoever remaineth veiled therefrom shall be deprived of this invisible and all-encompassing grace.
Verily, there is naught from which Our favour hath been withheld, inasmuch as We have dealt equitably in the fashioning of each and all, and by a word of Our mouth presented unto them the trust of Our love.
They that have accepted it are indeed safe and secure, and are numbered among those who are immune from the terrors of this Day. Those, however, who have rejected it have, in truth, disbelieved in God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting.
Thus do We distinguish between the people and pronounce judgement upon them. We, of a certainty, have the power to discern.(Baha’u’llah, The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 22)
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