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Catholic_Dude
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This is just a quick question, but does any one know if the original manuscripts/pages of the BoM still exists?
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mormon_fool
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Catholic Dude:
About 25% of the original manuscript is known to exist. It is in bad shape after water damage. A scholar named Skousen has worked hard to see what can be read off them. For way too much stuff about it see here.This is just a quick question, but does any one know if the original manuscripts/pages of the BoM still exists?
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Too bad they shut off the copy option on that page so I cant really post the full passage. Im just going to comment as I read.
Anyway:
Page5 it says:
The closeset source for what Joseph received is the original manuscript of the BoM, the [MS] [manuscript] that the scribes wrote down as Joseph dictated the English-language. But we must not assume that the original MS is identical to what JS received.
What?
page6:
But a more serious difficulty is that most of the origina manuscript no longer exists. Of course, the first 116 pages of the MS were originally lost by Martin Harris…But the Lord prepared for this loss by having Nephi and his successors record a different version of their early history on a second set of plates (the small plates of Nephi).
So what is this “different version” stuff?
In 1841 JS placed the original manuscript in the cornerstone of the Nauvoo House. When removed by Lewis Bidamon in 1882, the MS had largely been destroyed by mold and water seepage. Today only 28 percent of the original MS is extant.
So why did it sit there for 40 years untouched? Im guessing that there was a copy that people were using meanwhile which should be about the same age as the original? Ok, as I keep reading it says a “printers copy” was made and is about 100% intact, but these Community of Christ guys own it? Who are they?
Well this thing is really starting to give me a headache, I finished the 1st chapter, I dont know of what to say of all those changes and differences that occured between versions. I know there is no original manuscripts for the Bible, so I wonder how much edits and error are in it.
Anyway:
Page5 it says:
The closeset source for what Joseph received is the original manuscript of the BoM, the [MS] [manuscript] that the scribes wrote down as Joseph dictated the English-language. But we must not assume that the original MS is identical to what JS received.
What?
page6:
But a more serious difficulty is that most of the origina manuscript no longer exists. Of course, the first 116 pages of the MS were originally lost by Martin Harris…But the Lord prepared for this loss by having Nephi and his successors record a different version of their early history on a second set of plates (the small plates of Nephi).
So what is this “different version” stuff?
In 1841 JS placed the original manuscript in the cornerstone of the Nauvoo House. When removed by Lewis Bidamon in 1882, the MS had largely been destroyed by mold and water seepage. Today only 28 percent of the original MS is extant.
So why did it sit there for 40 years untouched? Im guessing that there was a copy that people were using meanwhile which should be about the same age as the original? Ok, as I keep reading it says a “printers copy” was made and is about 100% intact, but these Community of Christ guys own it? Who are they?
Well this thing is really starting to give me a headache, I finished the 1st chapter, I dont know of what to say of all those changes and differences that occured between versions. I know there is no original manuscripts for the Bible, so I wonder how much edits and error are in it.
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majick275
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Capt. Bidamon married Emma Smith (Josephs widow) some time after Joseph died. (He was not a Mormon) Emma had broken with the main body of the LDS church over the leadership of Brigham Young.
Emma retained her house and thus Mr. Bidamon’s discovery. By most available accounts the “printer’s copy” had numerous errors.
(spelling, Grammar and even some miscopied sections) This led to a siginificant edit after the 1830 edition was published.
The “second version” that you referred to was a section of the plates that told the same story from a different viewpoint. (much like the synoptic gospels in the new testament)
The community of Christ is the current name for what was previously called the re-organized LDS church. It is what came down from Emma Smith raising her son from Joseph as the hereditary prophet and leader of their church. They own many properties and valuable items from the early days of Mormonism as a result of Emma’s inheritance as well some favorable court rulings regarding which “sect” of the LDS church owned what.
There are in fact some errors in the translations of the bible. I still believe myself that it has manged to remain the word of God in spite of those. I Believe the Book of Mormon is a combination of fiction, copied and paraphrased Bible verses.
Emma retained her house and thus Mr. Bidamon’s discovery. By most available accounts the “printer’s copy” had numerous errors.
(spelling, Grammar and even some miscopied sections) This led to a siginificant edit after the 1830 edition was published.
The “second version” that you referred to was a section of the plates that told the same story from a different viewpoint. (much like the synoptic gospels in the new testament)
The community of Christ is the current name for what was previously called the re-organized LDS church. It is what came down from Emma Smith raising her son from Joseph as the hereditary prophet and leader of their church. They own many properties and valuable items from the early days of Mormonism as a result of Emma’s inheritance as well some favorable court rulings regarding which “sect” of the LDS church owned what.
There are in fact some errors in the translations of the bible. I still believe myself that it has manged to remain the word of God in spite of those. I Believe the Book of Mormon is a combination of fiction, copied and paraphrased Bible verses.
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Catholic_Dude
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majick275-
I had no idea there was such a split like that, so why did more people follow BY instead of the son?Capt. Bidamon married Emma Smith (Josephs widow) some time after Joseph died. (He was not a Mormon) Emma had broken with the main body of the LDS church over the leadership of Brigham Young.
Emma retained her house and thus Mr. Bidamon’s discovery. By most available accounts the “printer’s copy” had numerous errors.
(spelling, Grammar and even some miscopied sections) This led to a siginificant edit after the 1830 edition was published.
so are you saying the original viewpoint is lost forever? even between the synoptic gospels there are differences that shed light on other things.The “second version” that you referred to was a section of the plates that told the same story from a different viewpoint. (much like the synoptic gospels in the new testament)
So if Im reading this right Joseph Smiths kids werent even part of the main branch?The community of Christ is the current name for what was previously called the re-organized LDS church. It is what came down from Emma Smith raising her son from Joseph as the hereditary prophet and leader of their church. They own many properties and valuable items from the early days of Mormonism as a result of Emma’s inheritance as well some favorable court rulings regarding which “sect” of the LDS church owned what.
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majick275
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well the son was a small child at the time of the split. BY was a very effective leader and convinced the largest group of people that he was rightfully in charge. There were numerous other groups that split off at that time as well as the “fundamentalists” that broke away later.majick275-
I had no idea there was such a split like that, so why did more people follow BY instead of the son?
Catholic Dude:
Yes. The plates were allegedly taken back by the angel Moroni after translation was complete. The missing manuscript is gone forever. JS and other LDS leaders jointly guided the edits to arrive at the “correct” edition.so are you saying the original viewpoint is lost forever? even between the synoptic gospels there are differences that shed light on other things.
Catholic Dude:
That is correct in the case of his offspring through Emma. There are some claims that some of his plural wives who went on to Utah had borne him children. Joseph Smith III, when he came of age assumed the leadership of the “re-organized” sect that is now the community of Christ. They have very different scriptures and doctrines than the Utah LDS church and have always been significantly smaller in numbers.So if Im reading this right Joseph Smiths kids werent even part of the main branch?
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PS. Both the “Original Manuscript” as well as the “Printer’s Manuscript” of the Book of Mormon have been published. If you scroll down the page in the second url I gave you you will see them.
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