The Papal Tiara: Yes or No?

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I agree completely with your post (just had to shorten it so I wouldn’t be quoting too much).

I’d go even farther and say that the Papacy never was supposed to be a position of King of Kings. Many popes in the past got a little too power hungry I’d say. It was supposed to be, is, and will be until Christ’s return a position of Spiritual Shepherd and High Priest. Political matters aren’t the Church’s focus point, and it isn’t supposed to be. So why should the Pope act as if he is a political king instead of the King’s (Christ’s) representative?

Popes from long ago saw how the Papacy was becoming too king-like, so they changed it. The Tiara was one of the last vestiges of that king-like Papacy, so it was disposed of. This seems to be the viewpoint of the Popes since Pope Paul VI, so what I’m saying can’t be ultra-liberal.
Not ultra-liberal, no. Clearly the popes of the modern day have shared your perspective. All the popes of the 20th and 21st centuries–even those who wore the tiara–have focused upon the pope’s role as bishop, teacher, and universal shepherd, over his role as worldly monarch. For that we can thank Italian unification and the changing times, as well as a litany of remarkable popes who were quite attuned to the times in which they lived.

It was certain that Pope Paul VI wanted to offer clear outward signals to the Church and to the world that the contemporary shepherd-pastor idea of the papacy was here to stay; therefore the papacy was to shed many of her outdated imperial trappings in order that the pope’s authentic pastoral role would not be hidden from modern eyes behind all the regal baroque clap-trap. Away went the tiara. Along came the pope’s pastoral staff. The rich scarlet brocades found throughout the papal apartments were replaced with earth tone treatments. The embroidered pontifical sandals were replaced by red leather slip-on shoes. The papal courtiers and divisions were slashed, and the pope’s court took on a more ecclesiastical and less worldly character.

By the time John Paul I’s smiling face said goodbye to us, the pope had become, in the eyes of the world, no longer a remote princely sovereign, but a beloved fatherly bishop. His successors obviously have felt that that is not a bad way to project the papacy in the modern age, at all. It works. It resonates with the public. John Paul II, in fact, took that modern concept of the papacy and ran with it all the way to the end zone.

Clearly, there has been some effort by Pope Benedict XVI to restore something of the “look” of the old papacy. But, if you’ll notice, he cannot quite seem to wholly commit to that effort. One day, he comes out looking like Pius XII in tall jeweled miter and mantum, with lace everywhere, the next he appears in something so avant-garde you just wonder what on earth he was thinking that day. At other times, his vestments look so much like John Paul II’s that for a moment, you think you are, in fact, looking at old footage of John Paul rather than of Benedict. Sometimes Pope Benedict uses the papal chairs embroidered in creams and earth tones, sometimes he uses great velvet and gilt thrones that haven’t been seen since the pre-reform days. Oddly, he uses those old thrones of state in St. Peter’s as pontifical thrones, rather than just restore the old pontifical throne, canopy and dais. He has shunned the familiar silver papal staff in favour of something rather less compelling that was fished out of an era when popes did not even carry pastoral staffs.

Clearly Pope Benedict wants to sort of have it both ways: he wants to restore something of the more splendid past, without going overboard so as to entirely lose that “John Paul” image of the papacy that has so much appeal. Despite the current pope’s restoration of this or that long-since vanished vestige of a past era, it was he who dumped the tiara from the papal coat of arms, replacing it with a bishop’s mitre. And, of course, he was not crowned, but invested with the pallium. A redesigned pallium. A redesigned pallium that he has since put aside, in favour of another redesigned pallium.
 
Could you imagine how much money could be donated to help the needy if the church didn’t spend it on things like thrones? That’s just my opinion.
Well, I am sure the Pope Mobile costs way more than a sedia gestatoria. Also, you objections sounds like this:[bibledrb]John 12:3-8[/bibledrb]But of course the Pope is not Christ, although he acts in persona Christi.
 
Regarding Peter having the equivalency of a king, my understanding of Church teaching is that the term “Shepard,” in the OT has the connotation of “King.” When Our Lord says, “Feed my lambs, feed my sheep,” it is clear that Peter is the supreme shepard over all, and has full authority. Even if some popes have, at times, been negligent in thier duties as the supreme head, their authority is not lessened or diminished.

There are some Catholics (and Protestants) who are embarrassed by the history of the Church (or by certain aspects of it). It seems unlikely, however, that Catholics before this last century would have been embarrassed by something like a Papal Tiara. indeed, some of the most saintly popes have been been photographed or have had paintings done which show them with the Tiara, or something similar. Consider the saintly pope, St. Gregory the Great, who ruled the Church from 590-604. He is often shown as wearing the papal Tiara, or an earlier version of it. Here’s a link that shows this, as well as a description of his life and papacy:

catholicculture.org/culture/liturgicalyear/calendar/day.cfm?date=2008-09-03

Here’s the collect for his feast day, Sept. 3:

“Father, you guide your people with kindness and govern us with love. By the prayers of St. Gregory give the spirit of wisdom to those you have called to lead your Church. May the growth of your people in holiness be the eternal joy of our shepards. We ask this through our Lord Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, forever and ever. Amen.”
 
Regarding Peter having the equivalency of a king, my understanding of Church teaching is that the term “Shepard,” in the OT has the connotation of “King.” When Our Lord says, “Feed my lambs, feed my sheep,” it is clear that Peter is the supreme shepard over all, and has full authority. Even if some popes have, at times, been negligent in thier duties as the supreme head, their authority is not lessened or diminished.

There are some Catholics (and Protestants) who are embarrassed by the history of the Church (or by certain aspects of it). It seems unlikely, however, that Catholics before this last century would have been embarrassed by something like a Papal Tiara. indeed, some of the most saintly popes have been been photographed or have had paintings done which show them with the Tiara, or something similar. Consider the saintly pope, St. Gregory the Great, who ruled the Church from 590-604. He is often shown as wearing the papal Tiara, or an earlier version of it. Here’s a link that shows this, as well as a description of his life and papacy:

catholicculture.org/culture/liturgicalyear/calendar/day.cfm?date=2008-09-03
Consider, too, that the saintly Saint Gregory the Great died about 200 years before the advent of the papal headdress that would become known as the “tiara” or “triregnum”.

It is interesting to note that, although Pope Benedict XVI controversially did not include the tiara in his personal coat of arms (he replaced it with a mitre), he was not the first. Toward the latter portion of his reign, Pope John Paul II also permitted depictions of his coat of arms with a mitre, rather than a tiara. In fact, that mitred version is set in stone, so to speak: John Paul’s arms in mosaic near the entrance of St. Peter’s show a mitre, rather than a tiara…

saintpetersbasilica.org/Altars/Baptistery/JPII-bap-coa.jpg

On the flip side of the coin, although he was never crowned, Pope John Paul II actually had his own Triregnum…

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Well, I am sure the Pope Mobile costs way more than a sedia gestatoria. Also, you objections sounds like this:[bibledrb]John 12:3-8[/bibledrb]But of course the Pope is not Christ, although he acts in persona Christi.
Well, this is now the 4th time this has been quoted in this thread. Can everyone stop, please? The situation runs deeper.

The original popemobiel was created for protection for John Paul II. Now that Benedict has had the top removed, I wholly agree with you that it’s a waste of money.

That being said, I’m sure the church can find more economical, more simple ways to show the magnificence that is the papacy.
 
Consider, too, that the saintly Saint Gregory the Great died about 200 years before the advent of the papal headdress that would become known as the “tiara” or “triregnum”.

It is interesting to note that, although Pope Benedict XVI controversially did not include the tiara in his personal coat of arms (he replaced it with a mitre), he was not the first. Toward the latter portion of his reign, Pope John Paul II also permitted depictions of his coat of arms with a mitre, rather than a tiara. In fact, that mitred version is set in stone, so to speak: John Paul’s arms in mosaic near the entrance of St. Peter’s show a mitre, rather than a tiara…

saintpetersbasilica.org/Altars/Baptistery/JPII-bap-coa.jpg

On the flip side of the coin, although he was never crowned, Pope John Paul II actually had his own Triregnum…

3.bp.blogspot.com/_hIDXVVWME0M/SzLFL5N_wVI/AAAAAAAAACs/T5bv3iNjKZw/s320/JPII+Tiara.jpg
Thanks, Pregustator. I didn’t know that the Pope St. Gregory the Great died 200 years before the advent of the tiara, or triregnum. Maybe he’s often depicted with it to show that he was a pope. Or something like that.

The triregnum of Pope John Paul ll is pretty cool, even if he never wore it. Even though I like the idea of the papal tiara, it’s good that the popes get to decide for themselves as to
whether or not they want one, or want to wear it. This in itself shows that they have supreme authority…no one can make them wear it if they don’t want to! 🙂
 
Well, this is now the 4th time this has been quoted in this thread. Can everyone stop, please? The situation runs deeper.

The original popemobiel was created for protection for John Paul II. Now that Benedict has had the top removed, I wholly agree with you that it’s a waste of money.

That being said, I’m sure the church can find more economical, more simple ways to show the magnificence that is the papacy.
There are several popemobiles, not only one. Some have removable enclosures, some have permanent enclosures. The convertible type is often used on nice weather days in St. Peter’s Square, whereas those with permament enclosures are used when the pope travels abroad.

It isn’t a waste of money. The pope must have a suitable vehicle to travel in with appropriate security features. For simple, back and forth travel, black sedans or limousines are used, but when he must be clearly visible to the public, the popemobile works best.

The bulletproof glass enclosure of the popemobile is tall enough to accomodate the pope fully vested, with mitre, standing. So, if the tiara were ever reintroduced in some form, the popemobile would easily accomodate it. 😉
 
Consider, too, that the saintly Saint Gregory the Great died about 200 years before the advent of the papal headdress that would become known as the “tiara” or “triregnum”.
Since the (Western) Roman Empire was essentially dead, PP S Gregory was de facto temporal ruler, so it’s no wonder that he is normally depicted wearing a tiara.
It is interesting to note that, although Pope Benedict XVI controversially did not include the tiara in his personal coat of arms (he replaced it with a mitre), he was not the first. Toward the latter portion of his reign, Pope John Paul II also permitted depictions of his coat of arms with a mitre, rather than a tiara. In fact, that mitred version is set in stone, so to speak: John Paul’s arms in mosaic near the entrance of St. Peter’s show a mitre, rather than a tiara…
PP Benedict XVI’s arms are rather interesting, since the depicted mitre curiously has three bands on it, just like the tiara. :hmmm:

Notice that the mitred-arms of his predecessor depicted in the linked photo does not. FWIW, I was never too thrilled with either version of that Pontiff’s arms.
On the flip side of the coin, although he was never crowned, Pope John Paul II actually had his own Triregnum…
That has to be the most hideous tiara I’ve ever seen.
 
Since the (Western) Roman Empire was essentially dead, PP S Gregory was de facto temporal ruler, so it’s no wonder that he is normally depicted wearing a tiara.

PP Benedict XVI’s arms are rather interesting, since the depicted mitre curiously has three bands on it, just like the tiara. :hmmm:
But with a central, vertical bar, so that the design actually evokes the papal triple cross. I assume that was intentional. Pope Paul VI actually had a miter that looked similar to the one in Benedict’s heraldic achievement.
That has to be the most hideous tiara I’ve ever seen.
Do you think so? Interesting; I actually rather like it. Pope Paul’s tiara, in my opinion, was the most ghastly. To me it looked like something right out of science fiction. But then, that sort of design cue was typical of the age.
 
That’s the camauro. It was a very commonly worn papal hat from the middle ages until Pope Pius XII came along. He seldom, if ever, wore it. Pope John XXIII loved it, however, and it made regular appearances during his reign. Then it fell out of favor, again and wasn’t worn again until Pope Benedict XVI decided to wear one at Christmas a few years ago, but he doesn’t seem to have worn it again, since.
 
Do you think so? Interesting; I actually rather like it. Pope Paul’s tiara, in my opinion, was the most ghastly. To me it looked like something right out of science fiction. But then, that sort of design cue was typical of the age.
Yes, I really think so. 🙂 For one thing, it’s loud. The heavy tiaras of Pius X and Pius XII are far more appealing, and I’m not thrilled with them either.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I rather liked the stark simplicity of the “Milanese” tiara of Paul VI. The lines were clean and it was impeccably executed (which, I suppose, is typical of the Milanese psyche), and it did not scream with gaudy jewels, etc. Quite similar, in an updated sort of way, to the tiara that PP S Gregory is normally depicted wearing.
 
Yes, I really think so. 🙂 For one thing, it’s loud. The heavy tiaras of Pius X and Pius XII are far more appealing, and I’m not thrilled with them either.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I rather liked the stark simplicity of the “Milanese” tiara of Paul VI. The lines were clean and it was impeccably executed (which, I suppose, is typical of the Milanese psyche), and it did not scream with gaudy jewels, etc. Quite similar, in an updated sort of way, to the tiara that PP S Gregory is normally depicted wearing.
Pope Leo XIII had one that I really like…

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It isn’t oppressed by jewels and has a unique look to it.

The fictitious tiara depicted in the image of the saintly Saint Gregory doesn’t appeal to me any more than does Pope Paul’s “ray gun” (that’s what it looks like, to me, with those rings around it). You must have very refined tastes, indeed, to be able to appreciate the artistic merits of that particular tiara! 🙂
 
Pope Leo XIII had one that I really like…

It isn’t oppressed by jewels and has a unique look to it.
What I can say is that it’s not as horrid as some. It would be much more appealing to me without the "crosses jutting up like pickets (or barbs) on a fence, though.
The fictitious tiara depicted in the image of the saintly Saint Gregory doesn’t appeal to me any more than does Pope Paul’s “ray gun” (that’s what it looks like, to me, with those rings around it). You must have very refined tastes, indeed, to be able to appreciate the artistic merits of that particular tiara! 🙂
Some friends have said that I have a type of goût rafiné, but I prefer to think of it that I simply prefer understatement. 🤷
 
What I can say is that it’s not as horrid as some. It would be much more appealing to me without the "crosses jutting up like pickets (or barbs) on a fence, though.

Some friends have said that I have a type of goût rafiné, but I prefer to think of it that I simply prefer understatement. 🤷
I did pick that up about you. So, it surprises me that you so dislike John Paul II’s tiara, what with its simple lines and almost complete lack of bejewelled adornment. To me, it seems to bear some kinship to the tiara of Paul VI: both have a very solidly-metallic appearance, and similarly tapered forms. I was surprised when you labelled it as “loud”, in fact.

But then, you don’t even care for the mitre. What kind of a forum-dwelling Catholic are you, for heaven’s sake? 😉
 
So, just out of curiosity, why not the mitre?
It’s my Oriental background I guess. :eek:

That said, I don’t really have a problem with plain mitres (Gothic-style, please, and not those Renaissance-style monstrosities). OTOH, I very much dislike mitres that are jeweled or adorned with orphrey bands and/or depictions of this or that, etc. (And yes, that includes the neo-papal mitres.) To my taste they’re loud at best, and often cross the line into the just-plain-ugly department.
 
It’s my Oriental background I guess. :eek:

That said, I don’t really have a problem with plain mitres (Gothic-style, please, and not those Renaissance-style monstrosities). OTOH, I very much dislike mitres that are jeweled or adorned with orphrey bands and/or depictions of this or that, etc. (And yes, that includes the neo-papal mitres.) To my taste they’re loud at best, and often cross the line into the just-plain-ugly department.
Burn ye at the stake! I love mitres, short and tall, gothic and otherwise. There are so many interesting ways to adorn a mitre and so many I have seen are so magnificent. But, so many others I have seen are quite horrendous. With Pope Benedict XVI, his mitres exhibit no rhyme or reason; he switches back and forth between all styles: from the tall, jewel-encrusted sorts popular amongst popes before the Council…

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…to the short little things popular amongst auxiliary bishops, decorated with the most hideous designs…

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…to the mitres of medium height, the sort of which was first introduced in modern times by Pope Paul VI, continued by John Paul I, and which became almost exclusive during the bulk of the reign of Pope John Paul II…

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…and then there are others which fit into none of those categories…

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