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TPJCatholic
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I suppose we should not be surprised, after all, a movie avout Howard Hughes is far more important than a movie about our Savior–right?
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joshua1
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Like I posted on another thread, boycott the whole movie industry. Then they will see that Christians make up a substantial portion of the movie goers that enable them to live in luxury in the finest mansions of Beverly Hills.
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miguel
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That could backfire!Just wait til I make you eat your beans too…
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Fitz
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I am actually relieved that they didn’t nominate the movie. I don’t think of the movie as a Hollywood feat as much as a success for Christ. I think Mel was right not to play Hollywood politics with this. I think the movie was then not contaminated like the rest of that society.
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preyoflove
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POTC was also nominated for Cinematography, aside from Makeup and Original Score category. Is Cinematography a major category?
Peace, so be it.
Peace, so be it.
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Church_Militant
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I say we vote not only by boycotting the show but also by going out and buying copies of POTC if we don’t already have them so that we financially support Mel’s effort and further rub Hollywood’s miserable noses in it. It also shows just how really meaningless and irrelevent the academy is…I think that Mr. Gibson is more interested in a greater reward from an infinitely higher Critic.
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TheGarg
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Quite right, CM, in the big scheme of things, and award is irrelavent and it is actually fitting that there is no “reward’” for doing the Lord’s work.
Mel might have well converted more people and/or solidified more people’s faith in Jesus in one day[opening day] than any other man in history since jesus has done in one moment. All by just putting into movie form what Jesus did 1978 years ago.
May the peace of the Lord be with you all!
Mel might have well converted more people and/or solidified more people’s faith in Jesus in one day[opening day] than any other man in history since jesus has done in one moment. All by just putting into movie form what Jesus did 1978 years ago.
May the peace of the Lord be with you all!
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Steph700
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Friends, the Oscars are not about numbers- how many people saw the movie or how much it made- but about film making. I saw the Passion and I found it very moving. It gave me a new perspective on the crucifiction. I applaud Gibson for his work on this huge project.
However, the Oscars and other award ceremonies do not exist to applaud the subject matter/content but rather to give praise to good film making as an artform. Certain aspects of the Passion are nominated for awards- and I am sure that they deserve this nomination. But I think it isn’t right for anyone to expect that the Oscars exist to promote values important to yourself, your family, your Church. These awards are about film making as an artform, acting as an artform and the people who make these nominations are people who work in the industry and have devoted a large part of their life to this particular artform.
I think that the day more Christians start living out their life and skills to the fullest as writers, actors, artists, musicians is the day we will have more impact on society as a whole. Look at the architectural impact Christianity has had on Europe in particular. As I travel around Europe I am amazed at the masterpieces of both paintings and Cathedrals and as I appreciate the artistry I am drawn to God. The people who created these works rose to the occassion and were so cutting edge and so good that society as a whole couldn’t help but stop and take notice. And in so doing many people were drawn to the faith.
We have the ability to do the same thing today. But if we focus on subject matter alone and how “sinful” these other works are rather than appreciating the artistry and encouraging the people in our own churches to develop their creative skills we are doing ourselves and society a great disservice. What good does it do for us to boycott these events? What kind of message does that send to the unbelieving world? As long as we shun the work of artists b/c their material isn’t suitable for our 5 year old kid to watch and as long as we downplay the importance and value of creativity that God has given to many people- believers and unbelievers alike- we make ourselves irrelevant and therefore unheard.
Let’s be challenged by this to strive to be our best- not to judge others and make ourselves out to be “holier-than-thou”!
However, the Oscars and other award ceremonies do not exist to applaud the subject matter/content but rather to give praise to good film making as an artform. Certain aspects of the Passion are nominated for awards- and I am sure that they deserve this nomination. But I think it isn’t right for anyone to expect that the Oscars exist to promote values important to yourself, your family, your Church. These awards are about film making as an artform, acting as an artform and the people who make these nominations are people who work in the industry and have devoted a large part of their life to this particular artform.
I think that the day more Christians start living out their life and skills to the fullest as writers, actors, artists, musicians is the day we will have more impact on society as a whole. Look at the architectural impact Christianity has had on Europe in particular. As I travel around Europe I am amazed at the masterpieces of both paintings and Cathedrals and as I appreciate the artistry I am drawn to God. The people who created these works rose to the occassion and were so cutting edge and so good that society as a whole couldn’t help but stop and take notice. And in so doing many people were drawn to the faith.
We have the ability to do the same thing today. But if we focus on subject matter alone and how “sinful” these other works are rather than appreciating the artistry and encouraging the people in our own churches to develop their creative skills we are doing ourselves and society a great disservice. What good does it do for us to boycott these events? What kind of message does that send to the unbelieving world? As long as we shun the work of artists b/c their material isn’t suitable for our 5 year old kid to watch and as long as we downplay the importance and value of creativity that God has given to many people- believers and unbelievers alike- we make ourselves irrelevant and therefore unheard.
Let’s be challenged by this to strive to be our best- not to judge others and make ourselves out to be “holier-than-thou”!
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mommy
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Church Militant:
ok, I had to look at this three times, I kept thinking, What does Pirates of the Carribbean have to do with this? :lol: sorry, it’s a favorite of the kids, and it must be early yet!
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Annunciata
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Yes Mommy…I think that is an EXCELLENT idea!
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miguel
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You would think so.
Then it achieved for you what Gibson intended. And it did this as a great work of art.
You would think so. But the complaint on this thread is that it is pretty much being ignored as a work of art, because of its subject matter.
I think you misunderstand the point of this thread. No one here thinks the Oscars exist for this reason.
No arguement there. And I think that is what Gibson achieved as well. But his colleagues apparently don’t want to acknowlege that.
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jlw
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Steph700, your post is good one. I understand that these people are human, they are creative talented artists. The art of moviemaking is amazing, and putting together a great performance or story in a film doean’t happen every day. I am all for celebrating good art.
HOWEVER, Hollywood is celebrating agendas too!!! One movie is about abortion, one about euthenasia, others celebrate excess, narcisism, promiscuity, etc. The Osacars ARE about politics. They ARE about themes. Ask any of those directors, and they will tell you that their motivation for making their movies were the subject matter. Quality, sure. But with a point.
Do you really really believe that The Passion didn’t deserve to be among the best movies nominated?? Honest to goodness, forget content, but just as a work of art??? Jim Caveizel didn’t give the performance of his life???
The truth is, Hollywood DID shy away from the CONTENT of the The Passion, but wasn’t worried at all about abortion, euthenasia, etc.!! There WAS politics involved.
I wouldn’t have cared if The Passion was nominated, but didn’t win. But the fact that the movie didn’t get best movie or best actor, even best director (yeah, right. They wouldn’t…couldn’t give Mel any credit) is just a stick in the eye. Yes, a stick in the eye of Christianity, but really, objectively, it’s a stick in the eye of the great art of moviemaking.
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maklavan
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The Oscars are a load od old codswollop as we say in the UK
I lost faith in them when that silly turkey “Titanic” was given so many awards, Significant that the great director, Hitchcock, never received an Oscar! I don’t think Gibson will lose sleep over the decision of the lightweights.
I lost faith in them when that silly turkey “Titanic” was given so many awards, Significant that the great director, Hitchcock, never received an Oscar! I don’t think Gibson will lose sleep over the decision of the lightweights.
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BlueMit11
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What do you expect? If Hollywood wants to live how they want to, they have to attack the Truth. The Catholic Church does a very good job–without even trying–of putting people who have troubled consciences on the defensive. I’m just glad somebody notices that this kind of thing is happening.
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Pinklady
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This was posted on another message board; I thought it was thoughtful and well informed; it’s something you might want to consider:
I’ve seen all the films nominated for best picture as well as the Passion (being in Film at university means you tend to have to see anything that’s getting critical acclaim) and I have to say that as much as the Passion did for many Christians, it just wasn’t as good as the ones that were nominated.
The only things I felt that really did shine were the categories it got a nomination in. Of course there’s always politics involved in anything in Hollywood, but the Passion really wasn’t as technically, creatively, or otherwise as superb as the films that did get nominated.
It wasn’t completely snubbed, it just didn’t make the cut for the best picture or the best actor category.
I always think that the Passion is similar (and completely opposite) to Farenheit 9/11. It affected people immensely - as long as they were already open and receptive to the content. I have friends who despise Bush, and they loved 9/11 and felt the movie really said something. People who were supporters of Bush or who weren’t rabid opponents of Bush weren’t nearly as impressed with it. Same goes for the Passion, generally. People who identify as “Christian” and who strongly believe in the Bible (or who are brought up in a house that strongly supports the Bible) were touched deeply by the Passion. People who are agnostic, involved in other religions, or who are not really religious weren’t that touched by the Passion.
And for a movie to really be a best picture sort of movie, it needs to tough everyone, in my opinion. A movie isn’t the “best picture” if it reaches out and grabs one segment of the population who are already likely to be appreciative of it. You might all notice that 9/11 wasn’t nominated anywhere either - it affected just as many people as the Passion, likely, but again, just one segment of the world.
Most of the films nominated as best picture canditates were strong around the world and well-received around the world. The Passion was more of an American prodigy, from what I’ve seen. Just wanted to give my $0.02 worth. I’m not saying the Passion was a bad film at all - it was worthy of the nominations it received, but it isn’t Best Picture material - when comparing it to all the others in the field.
I’ve seen all the films nominated for best picture as well as the Passion (being in Film at university means you tend to have to see anything that’s getting critical acclaim) and I have to say that as much as the Passion did for many Christians, it just wasn’t as good as the ones that were nominated.
The only things I felt that really did shine were the categories it got a nomination in. Of course there’s always politics involved in anything in Hollywood, but the Passion really wasn’t as technically, creatively, or otherwise as superb as the films that did get nominated.
It wasn’t completely snubbed, it just didn’t make the cut for the best picture or the best actor category.
I always think that the Passion is similar (and completely opposite) to Farenheit 9/11. It affected people immensely - as long as they were already open and receptive to the content. I have friends who despise Bush, and they loved 9/11 and felt the movie really said something. People who were supporters of Bush or who weren’t rabid opponents of Bush weren’t nearly as impressed with it. Same goes for the Passion, generally. People who identify as “Christian” and who strongly believe in the Bible (or who are brought up in a house that strongly supports the Bible) were touched deeply by the Passion. People who are agnostic, involved in other religions, or who are not really religious weren’t that touched by the Passion.
And for a movie to really be a best picture sort of movie, it needs to tough everyone, in my opinion. A movie isn’t the “best picture” if it reaches out and grabs one segment of the population who are already likely to be appreciative of it. You might all notice that 9/11 wasn’t nominated anywhere either - it affected just as many people as the Passion, likely, but again, just one segment of the world.
Most of the films nominated as best picture canditates were strong around the world and well-received around the world. The Passion was more of an American prodigy, from what I’ve seen. Just wanted to give my $0.02 worth. I’m not saying the Passion was a bad film at all - it was worthy of the nominations it received, but it isn’t Best Picture material - when comparing it to all the others in the field.
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John_TE
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No one is willing to state the obvious, that Jewish power in Hollywood is behind the suppression of “The Passion.”
It is interesting that Jewish Hollywood does not want us to see a movie depicting the Gospel, but what’s even more noteworthy is the violence, sexual perversion, and blasphemy that they do want us to see, in fact, they are ramming this filth down our throats and profiting handsomely from it.
jewishtribalreview.org/thisweek06.htm
It is interesting that Jewish Hollywood does not want us to see a movie depicting the Gospel, but what’s even more noteworthy is the violence, sexual perversion, and blasphemy that they do want us to see, in fact, they are ramming this filth down our throats and profiting handsomely from it.
jewishtribalreview.org/thisweek06.htm
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stellina
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Thanks - that was a good article & in fact, a friend who is a movie expert made some of the same points, i.e. that other films were just stronger. That’s a matter of opinion, of course. However, “The Passion” was NOT solely an “American prodigy” - it drew record audiences around the world. For example, one of my family in Italy said that it outdid “Lord of the Rings”, which was so popular in Italy that they didn’t think another movie could top it.
I have no problem with a fair, legitimate choice of other movies over “The Passion” and I do realize that these things are by nature objective. What I object to is what someone else pointed out: that its artistic achievements are being deliberately ignored because of its subject matter while other films about abortion, etc. are being rewarded. As I said when I started this thread, this whole business is more evidence of the hypocrisy of the Hollywood industry.
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Shoshana
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I heard on my news that when TPOC was mentioned during these nominations, people scoffed and laughed at the mention of it. Correct me if I am wrong…:crying:
Blessings,
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Blessings,
Shoshana
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jdnation
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I lost faith of any decency in the Oscars since they ignored The Matrix: Revolutions for effects and other production awards etc. Matrix 3 like Passion recieved horrible reviews from most critics, and I’m beginning to suspect Matrix was left out because of it’s strong Christian ending. (Although the matrix is really a mish mash of many religions particularly gnostic and Hindu).I disagree that the other films were better. Oscars are about politics and money. If there was any moving holocaust film out this year it would win best picture. It is arguable whether Passion is a worthy film for best picture or best director, maybe it wouldn’t win but nominations are important. Lobbying is a big part of the Oscars these days which leaves out a lot of worthy films, still I’m glad Mel didn’t lobby or push for his film thoough a lot of people are bad mouthing him. Especially for producing another film ‘Paparazzi’ which was a guilty revenge flick and some are trying to say that he is crazy. It’s nuts I tell you. I’ll probably watch it to see Chris Rock hosting… but I couldn’t care who wins, though I hope passion gets all it’s awards especially John Debney, thoguh I hear he’s up against other worthy competition.
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Chickamauga
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I rented “Paparazi” recently and thought it was a pretty good film, nothing spectacular and I wouldn’t buy it to own, but I was entertained for a couple of hours. Yeah, it’s a “revenge flick” but so is the excellent “Count of Monte Cristo” with Jim Caveizel. Revenge stories have been around for a lonnggggg time (such as “Moby-Dick”.) Hollywierd just can’t get over the fact that Mel isn’t part of their self-destructive culture anymore.
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