The physics of theology

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The physics of theology begins with the idea that the heavens and Earth became separate (this could be interpreted as separation of matter into separated gravity-wells) and the emergence of energy (“let their be light”). The metaphysics begin when God declares the light to be good along with creation and thus condones it to “go forth and multiply.” In other words, there is recognition of the natural propensity for matter and energy to progress in subsequent expansions and transformations, and there is a moral assertion that this aspect of nature is good along with “light/energy” and the various metaphysical interpolations of its meanings. Later on, darkness and destruction are recognized as having also been created as a necessary consequence of light and creation so these also become metaphysically interpolated in the stories where events happen such as Adam and Eve hiding their natural bodies, Cain hiding his jealousy and murder of his brother from God, etc. If you study the logic of these mythologies carefully, you should be able to see how it takes a basic understanding of physical matter-energy and begins fleshing out philosophical applications and ethics. There really isn’t any natural reason to separate physics from ethics, since there is an inherent tension between matter-energy and vacuum-darkness that correspond to positive/presence and negative/absence. Who could argue that vacuum/darkness/negation/absence/etc. are fundamentally associated with goodness and matter/energy/positivity/presence are fundamentally bad? Only someone interested in destruction and opposition to creation, right?

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Later on, darkness and destruction are recognized as having also been created as a necessary consequence of light and creation so these also become metaphysically interpolated in the stories where events happen such as Adam and Eve hiding their natural bodies, Cain hiding his jealousy and murder of his brother from God, etc.
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Your claim that there have been created is incomplete, and without explanation, somewhat misdirected. We must first remember that God is love. Not to get too cheesy, but there is the old addage about if you love something, set it free, and if it comes back, it loves in return. This idea goes to the very core of God’s love. Had God created intelligent beings (angels or humans) without free will, and gave us no choice but to love Him, we would be slaves, and our love wouldn’t be real love - it would be God loving Himself.

Therefore, God created the angels and humans out of His great love. Now, God is omnipotent, and not bound by our understanding of time. God knew there would be rebellion by Lucifer, and also knew that Adam and Eve would betray Him. But that doesn’t mean His Creation ‘caused’ this. They made those choices out of their own free will, and man now bears the stain of original sin. But God loved us so much, that He wanted us to be redeemed, and that is why He did something miraculous.

God, who is not of our essence, and is infinitely greater, lowered Himself into the nature of Man, taking on our essence, giving up His glory and majesty, to be mocked, tortured, and killed like a common thief, so that He may rise up, defeat death, and redeem mankind. And with that redemption, through the grace received at Baptism and the other sacraments of the Church, we may love God more deeply. We can share in the Passion of Christ, reflect His infinite and unconditional love back on Him who is Love.

So, to tie back to my original point (sorry, I am a bit tangental 😊), ‘darkness and destruction’ were not created, and are not a ‘necessary consequence’ of light and creation as such. They were allowed out of love, but are the consequence of a selfish rejection of that love.
 
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The physics of theology begins with the idea that the heavens and Earth became separate (this could be interpreted as separation of matter into separated gravity-wells) and the emergence of energy (“let their be light”). The metaphysics begin when God declares the light to be good along with creation and thus condones it to “go forth and multiply.” In other words, there is recognition of the natural propensity for matter and energy to progress in subsequent expansions and transformations, and there is a moral assertion that this aspect of nature is good along with “light/energy” and the various metaphysical interpolations of its meanings. Later on, darkness and destruction are recognized as having also been created as a necessary consequence of light and creation so these also become metaphysically interpolated in the stories where events happen such as Adam and Eve hiding their natural bodies, Cain hiding his jealousy and murder of his brother from God, etc. If you study the logic of these mythologies carefully, you should be able to see how it takes a basic understanding of physical matter-energy and begins fleshing out philosophical applications and ethics. There really isn’t any natural reason to separate physics from ethics, since there is an inherent tension between matter-energy and vacuum-darkness that correspond to positive/presence and negative/absence. Who could argue that vacuum/darkness/negation/absence/etc. are fundamentally associated with goodness and matter/energy/positivity/presence are fundamentally bad? Only someone interested in destruction and opposition to creation, right?

Thoughts?
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While the title is intriguing, IMO this is the most incoherent and muddled OP I’ve yet encountered on CAF. The use of paragraphs might help.

A proper way to address the issue of physics in the context of theology is to ask serious theological questions that actually have some relevance to physics, such as:
  • Is God bound by the Laws of Thermodynamics?
  • If so, which ones?
  • Has God created all the laws of physics, or just some of them?
  • Why did he quantize physical reactions?
  • How does General Relativity apply if God is taken to be the observer?
  • Does the universe contain engineering mistakes?
There is actually a religious entity which is dedicated to issues of these sorts. Its goal is to integrate belief in a Creator with physics and all sciences. To the best of my knowledge, it has not attracted a single member outside its core supporters.
 
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There really isn’t any natural reason to separate physics from ethics,
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Physics, or any other science, don’t exist separate from anything. These theories have simply been created to describe our perception of reality. Because of this, the theories are integrated with out perception; i.e., they are all encompassing.
 
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