The Place of a woman?

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deb1:
The reason that I did not marry my hubby for nearly two years is because I witnessed my mother marrying and divorcing six different times!!:mad: Talk about fear! I have been happily married for 18 years but in all honesty, I doubt that I would remarry if something happened to my hubby. My fear comes from my upbringing though and probably has no relation to my gender.
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I guess that’s where I’m coming from too. My father, and possibly mother were both unfaithful more than once. Had other women in my home claiming they were pregnant by my father, and now my father is on his 4th marriage. :mad:
 
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felra:
I agree that you reconcile yourself with God (“IN HEAVEN”) when you forgive someone, because how can one enter heaven with unforgiveness in their heart?

In a transcendent spiritual sense; and yes, one would never be lead to despair in God’s household.

Are you suggesting that a spouse must “bewilling to die for that person” at the hands of an abusive (physicallly, emotionally abusive), unrepentant spouse? Not always advisable for survival sake.
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It is only acceptable to die to save the life of another.

If you leave your husband or wife to protect your childern then that is also justified.

If you leave your husband to protect your self from harm then that is also justified. There would be no life that could be saved.

If he becomes a violent killer then the fact is you have a husband that is a violent killer. Only your love can have any hope of changing his heart. Do you have to live with him. No you don’t.
But should you forget about him NO!

The problem occurs when you divorce your husband and forget about him. When you go off and find another man you are the one that is now a sinner.

With all that said, most women are never subject to the violence as you describe. Most women and men today leave their spouce for unjustified reasons.

Think about what christ told us.

“when I was poor did you feed me?”

now consider the fact that there are other forms of poverty.

“when I cheated on you did you still love me?”
"when I was addicted to porn did you stay with me?
“when I was a child did you protect me from my abusive mother?”
"when I hit my child did you get help from me?
“when I was an alcoholic, did you keep it away from me?”
“when I left you and our childern for another women, did you forgive me?”

Poverty is a result of sin.
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Originally Posted by JamesG
THE FACT IS YOU ARE MARRIED FOREVER!
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luvmykids:
I understand that you are married forever.
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Just to clarify: Married forever as in this side of heaven only (for those men feeling a bit nervous about the forever as in all eternity!). :rolleyes:
 
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Karin:
Well know that is not always true…otherwise NOT a single annulment would be granted 🙂
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An annulment simply means that the marriage was not valid in the first place.

It is not a way out of a marriage. If your husband stops loving you then you are still married.

It is not a contract.
 
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JamesG:
This I would have to disagree with.

There are many mental abilities that women poses that are superior to men and there are many mental abilities that men poses that are superior to women.

Mentally speaking…

Logic and the ability to focus is a trait that men have an abundance of. Hence the natural role of a provider.

strong emotion and the ability to mulit-task are mental traits that women have. Hence the natural role of a nurturer (raising childern)

It is just a fact that we are different physically, mentally, and spirtually.

We compliment each other in every way. This in NO way implies that one sex is inferior or the victim of the other -that truth is self evident as part of Gods creation.

The equality between us exists in a complimentary nature and is founded in differences derived from our physical, mental, and spirtual existance.

Let me give you something to think about

As a sprit alone without a physical body what traits define a woman and what traits define a man?

When we die we will still be men and women.

That is a very interesting concept. It causes us to think about the the nature of Gods loving creation.

If you think that we are only different physically then you have lost perspective on Gods creation.
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This is a broad generalization that is mostly true. The problem though is that people often forget that generalizations are not true for every single person. We have to have room in our minds for the person who is just unique.Sometimes people are simple born with brains that are slightly off from their gender.

When I was in college, for example, I discovered that I had a gift for math and science. I was much better at it then my male counterparts. The only reason that I did not go on to get a degree is due to an unexpected pregnancy.

I used to wonder if I was homosexual. Not due to any physical desire for my own gender but because I fit so badly with other women. I thought that there must be something wrong with me.
 
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Karin:
Well know that is not always true…otherwise NOT a single annulment would be granted 🙂
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A Decree of Nullity says the marriage never existed in the eyes of God.

If you are married and the marriage exists in the eyes of God, an annulment will not be granted if you do what the poster said.
 
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buffalo:
A Decree of Nullity says the marriage never existed in the eyes of God.

If you are married and the marriage exists in the eyes of God, an annulment will not be granted if you do what the poster said.
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Thanks Buffalo…I was aware what an annulment was…but I was making a point that not ALL marriages are forever. as stated by another poster.
 
My fear comes from my upbringing though and probably has no relation to my gender.
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Right, I guess I wasn’t trying to associate it to a gender per se. I was simply pointing out that once again Hollywood got it wrong.
 
Black Jaque:
Right, I guess I wasn’t trying to associate it to a gender per se. I was simply pointing out that once again Hollywood got it wrong.
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Hollywood gets a lot wrong. 😃
 
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Karin:
Thanks Buffalo…I was aware what an annulment was…but I was making a point that not ALL marriages are forever. as stated by another poster.
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All marriages are forever. ???
 
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JamesG:
It is not a way out of a marriage. If your husband stops loving you then you are still married.

It is not a contract.
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*Can. 1096 §1. For matrimonial consent to exist, the contracting parties must be at least not ignorant that marriage is a permanent partnership between a man and a woman ordered to the procreation of offspring by means of some sexual cooperation *
*Can. 1104 §1. **To contract *a marriage validly the contracting parties must be present together, either in person or by proxy
vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P3Z.HTM

Canon Law describes marraige as a contract.:confused: so is it a contract or not??
 
Karin said:
Can. 1096 §1. For matrimonial consent to exist, the contracting parties must be at least not ignorant that marriage is a permanent partnership between a man and a woman ordered to the procreation of offspring by means of some sexual cooperation
*Can. 1104 §1. **To contract ***a marriage validly the contracting parties must be present together, either in person or by proxy
vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P3Z.HTM

Canon Law describes marraige as a contract.:confused: so is it a contract or not??
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The Second Vatican Council reminds us that the marriage covenant exists not only for the good of the partners and their children, but also for the good of the Church and the good of society at large (see Church in the Modern World, #48).
  1. The intimate partnership of married life and love has been established by the Creator and qualified by His laws, and is rooted in the jugal covenant of irrevocable personal consent. Hence by that human act whereby spouses mutually bestow and accept each other a relationship arises which by divine will and in the eyes of society too is a lasting one.
marriage is a covenant.

but inorder for that to happen there must be a contract to enter into a convenant.

“personal consent” is a contract to enter into a covenant. The quote does not say that marriage is a contract

I hope this helps you out. I didn’t find your quote to be confusing.
 
Karin,

How do you end something that never began in the first place?

You don’t *get *a marriage anulled. You find out whether your relationship was really a marriage or not.

Real marriages last until death of one of the spouses.
 
JamesG-
I get that marriage is a sacrament/covenant but to have a marriage you need a contract…no?
So if you do need a contract than is it not also a contract/sacrament/covenant (all of these things)?
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JamesG:
marriage is a covenant.

but inorder for that to happen there must be a contract to enter into a convenant.

“personal consent” is a contract to enter into a covenant. The quote does not say that marriage is a contract

I hope this helps you out. I didn’t find your quote to be confusing.
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I wonder if Monte gets anything from these threads he starts. He comes in, stirs the pot, then never participates in the discussion.
 
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Karin:
JamesG-
I get that marriage is a sacrament/covenant but to have a marriage you need a contract…no?
So if you do need a contract than is it not also a contract/sacrament/covenant (all of these things)?
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A Covenant is of the highest moral order.

A contract is a civil agreement.
 
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