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Aquarius
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A woman’s place is wherever she chooses it to be. Is there any reason to discourage women or girls from any lawful activity, occupation, or recreation? I don’t know of any.
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Karin
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Black Jaque:
How do you know if you get married in the Church that 10 years down the road your marriage is actually valid? You dont unless you have an annulment…it seems that this is the only way to clarify if your marriage is valid or not…no?
Well the Church says that all marriages are valid unless proven otherwise…and to prove this you need a civil divorce and then an annulment (to see if your marriage was valid or not)
How do you know if you get married in the Church that 10 years down the road your marriage is actually valid? You dont unless you have an annulment…it seems that this is the only way to clarify if your marriage is valid or not…no?
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Karin
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But Cannon Law says you need a contract to have a valid marriage… Can. 1104 §1. **To contract **a marriage validly the contracting parties must be present together, either in person or by proxy
vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P3Z.HTM
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buffalo
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One can be civilly married by the Justice of the Peace, but this is a contract of man. It does not have the component of a Covenant.
A Covenant marriage is one that is made in the eyes of God and consummated. Only God knows at the time if it ia a Covenant marriage as He alone sees the heart of the man and woman.
The Church seeks to discover if indeed their was deceit, fraud or any other impediments at the time that would make it invalid.
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JamesG
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Wrong.
A womans place is where God put her.
A mans place is where God put him.
This “culture of choice” is something I find rather disturbing.
But that is why we are here. We wanted the choice between good and evil and now we have the knowledge of both.
The choice is yours.
Ask first what God wants of you. Don’t EVER ask , “what is it that I want?”
Don’t be shocked if God sets you right with him. At some point in our lives he does that to us. He sets us right with him. God will put us all in our place at some point in our lives. It doesn’t mater what you “think” or what you “chose” He knows how to help you see the true path before you.
God does not abandon his childern. He loves them.
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felra
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JamesG
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that isn’t what is says at all.
“To contract a marriage” means to enter into a marriage.
In order for God to bring to people togeather there must be an agreement.
But once God puts his stamp on the contract it becomes a covenant.
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luvmykids
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Aquarius
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You describe one of the choices available to women and girls. I would support them if they opted for it.
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Black_Jaque
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I think the Church says that she *presumes *all marriages are valid unless proven otherwise. The presumption of validity doesn’t make it valid. Anullments don’t change anything. When man walked on the moon and could see that the earth was round - that didn’t change anything about the character of the planet. It didn’t suddenly turn round once man looked at it from space. Same with a marriage or an invalid relationship. The nature of the relationship remains the same before and after they examine it for nullity. If they find no marriage - they declare it null. If they find there really is a marriage, sorry, there’s nothing you can do to get it changed.
How do you know if you get married in the Church that 10 years down the road your marriage is actually valid? You dont unless you have an annulment…it seems that this is the only way to clarify if your marriage is valid or not…no?
I don’t think it is that difficult. You simply examine the criteria for a valid marriage and judge for yourself.
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Karin
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Black Jaque:
If it is that easy than why do you have a Tribunal to decide if your marriage is valid or not?
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JamesG
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I don’t understand what you are saying. can you explain?
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Black_Jaque
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Well if you think your relationship was invalid and you wish to enter into a valid marriage you need to prove it to the tribunal first. The annullment is necessary when trying to enter into a marriage after an invalid relationship.
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Aquarius
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You said people should do what God wants. If a woman or girl chose do do that, I would support her decision since my original proposition was, “A woman’s place is wherever she chooses it to be.”
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JamesG
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ok well I don’t think you understand what I said then.
I’m saying that a womans place is where God wants her to be.
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Aquarius
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Yes. I did understand. If the woman adopts that belief, and follows that belief, then I support her choice.
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JamesG
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what if she adopts the idea that she has a choice to have an abortion? would you support that choice?
I would hope not because if you did then you would be
a) proliferating moral relativism
b) ignoring the truth that christ has shown us
morality requires some universal standard against which to measure ethical judgments. That standard is the truth of Christ.
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Aquarius
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Yes.
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JamesG
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Well that explains your position.
We are trying to come to terms here with a catholic definition for weather or not we have a place or gender role as per Gods creation.
You won’t have much to offer in this discussion if you have rejected the truth of Christ.
I will pray that the truth about abortion will be made known to you.
“Whatever you do you do to the least of my brothers you do on to me”
That includes killing the unborn.
You see when God created you, your soul rushed with great joy toward life. It fought for life at every turn. You may not recall this, but when you where a baby in your mothers womb your soul was fighting to be born and experience life. Your perception of life was totally innocent and perfect in everyway.
There is no greater joy to a soul then to be born.
Christ will say to you,
When my soul was fighting for life and expecting the great joy of birth you stood up for me when I couldn’t defend myself.
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Aquarius
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OK. If you are limiting the place of women to those approved of by the Church, then I have nothing further to add.
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