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What is the first thing a woman usually asks a man before having sex?

Do you have a condom?

Some women in the right frame of mind will stop right there.

Just because you have a condom increases the chance you will have sex with someone. Possibly someone you just met, possibly someone with HIV.
Actually, a lot of people I know that have sex don’t have to worry about Condoms, cause their girls take the pill, or a Day-After-Pill.

What is wrong with asking a person if they have one before sex?

Nice of you to say that anyone doesn’t stop their is out of the right frame of mind ;-).

Says you, but that depends on the individual, not on your opinoin, and I just found some info that might interest you "The Pill does not protect against HIV or sexually transmitted diseases. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), using a condom correctly every time you have sex can greatly reduce your risk of acquiring or transmitting most STDs, including HIV infection. "

The Pill its talking about is Birth-Control.
 
I am pretty sure no one is saying Condoms prevent HIV, but I am pretty sure they don’t make it a more likely situation. How could they? Unless, condoms can be infected with HIV then used, and then spread it, I do not think they can. Whether they encourage sex or not depends on the person, not on a person’s opinoin. Just cause I have sex with a condom doesn’t mean the person I have sex with will have any more of a chance of having HIV.
So what do you think of these facts?
IPPF indicates that the risk of contracting AIDS during so-called “protected sex” approaches 100 percent as the number of episodes of sexual intercourse increases. Cates Medical Bulletin, IPPF 1997.
The only sure ways to avoid sexual transmission of diseases (including AIDS, chlamydia, genital herpes, genital warts, gonorrhoea, hepatitis B, and syphilis) are not to have sex at all or to limit sex to one uninfected partner who is also monogamous. Food and Drug Administrationc (USA) Consumer Magazine Sep 1990.
hli.org/condom_facts_sheet_failure.html
 
Actually, a lot of people I know that have sex don’t have to worry about Condoms, cause their girls take the pill, or a Day-After-Pill.

What is wrong with asking a person if they have one before sex?

Nice of you to say that anyone doesn’t stop their is out of the right frame of mind ;-).

Says you, but that depends on the individual, not on your opinoin, and I just found some info that might interest you "The Pill does not protect against HIV or sexually transmitted diseases. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), using a condom correctly every time you have sex can greatly reduce your risk of acquiring or transmitting most STDs, including HIV infection. "

The Pill its talking about is Birth-Control.
I also checked with the centers for disease control (CDC) and found this:
Individuals who are infected with STDs are at least two to five times more likely than uninfected individuals to acquire HIV infection if they are exposed to the virus through sexual contact. In addition, if an HIV-infected individual is also infected with another STD, that person is more likely to transmit HIV through sexual contact than other HIV-infected persons (Wasserheit, 1992).

There is substantial biological evidence demonstrating that the presence of other STDs increases the likelihood of both transmitting and acquiring HIV.

Increased susceptibility. STDs appear to increase susceptibility to HIV infection by two mechanisms. Genital ulcers (e.g., syphilis, herpes, or chancroid) result in breaks in the genital tract lining or skin. These breaks create a portal of entry for HIV. Additionally, inflammation resulting from genital ulcers or non-ulcerative STDs (e.g., chlamydia, gonorrhea, and trichomoniasis) increase the concentration of cells in genital secretions that can serve as targets for HIV (e.g., CD4+ cells).

Increased infectiousness. STDs also appear to increase the risk of an HIV-infected person transmitting the virus to his or her sex partners. Studies have shown that HIV-infected individuals who are also infected with other STDs are particularly likely to shed HIV in their genital secretions. For example, men who are infected with both gonorrhea and HIV are more than twice as likely to have HIV in their genital secretions than are those who are infected only with HIV. Moreover, the median concentration of HIV in semen is as much as 10 times higher in men who are infected with both gonorrhea and HIV than in men infected only with HIV. The higher the concentration of HIV in semen or genital fluids, the more likely it is that HIV will be transmitted to a sex partner.

source: cdc.gov/std/hiv/STDFact-STD&HIV.htm
 
Found this on CDC too:

Consistent and correct use of male latex condoms can reduce (though not eliminate) the risk of STD transmission. To achieve the maximum protective effect, condoms must be used both consistently and correctly. Inconsistent use can lead to STD acquisition because transmission can occur with a single act of intercourse with an infected partner. Similarly, if condoms are not used correctly, the protective effect may be diminished even when they are used consistently. The most reliable ways to avoid transmission of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), are to abstain from sexual activity or to be in a long-term mutually monogamous relationship with an uninfected partner. However, many infected persons may be unaware of their infections because STDs are often asymptomatic or unrecognized.

source: cdc.gov/condomeffectiveness/latex.htm
 
I also checked with the centers for disease control (CDC) and found this:
Individuals who are infected with STDs are at least two to five times more likely than uninfected individuals to acquire HIV infection if they are exposed to the virus through sexual contact. In addition, if an HIV-infected individual is also infected with another STD, that person is more likely to transmit HIV through sexual contact than other HIV-infected persons (Wasserheit, 1992).

There is substantial biological evidence demonstrating that the presence of other STDs increases the likelihood of both transmitting and acquiring HIV.

Increased susceptibility. STDs appear to increase susceptibility to HIV infection by two mechanisms. Genital ulcers (e.g., syphilis, herpes, or chancroid) result in breaks in the genital tract lining or skin. These breaks create a portal of entry for HIV. Additionally, inflammation resulting from genital ulcers or non-ulcerative STDs (e.g., chlamydia, gonorrhea, and trichomoniasis) increase the concentration of cells in genital secretions that can serve as targets for HIV (e.g., CD4+ cells).

Increased infectiousness. STDs also appear to increase the risk of an HIV-infected person transmitting the virus to his or her sex partners. Studies have shown that HIV-infected individuals who are also infected with other STDs are particularly likely to shed HIV in their genital secretions. For example, men who are infected with both gonorrhea and HIV are more than twice as likely to have HIV in their genital secretions than are those who are infected only with HIV. Moreover, the median concentration of HIV in semen is as much as 10 times higher in men who are infected with both gonorrhea and HIV than in men infected only with HIV. The higher the concentration of HIV in semen or genital fluids, the more likely it is that HIV will be transmitted to a sex partner.

source: cdc.gov/std/hiv/STDFact-STD&HIV.htm
Lets all remember that BareKnckler is just a boy and has alot to learn,Bar what are you 16 or 17
 
I also checked with the centers for disease control (CDC) and found this:
Individuals who are infected with STDs are at least two to five times more likely than uninfected individuals to acquire HIV infection if they are exposed to the virus through sexual contact. In addition, if an HIV-infected individual is also infected with another STD, that person is more likely to transmit HIV through sexual contact than other HIV-infected persons (Wasserheit, 1992).

There is substantial biological evidence demonstrating that the presence of other STDs increases the likelihood of both transmitting and acquiring HIV.

Increased susceptibility. STDs appear to increase susceptibility to HIV infection by two mechanisms. Genital ulcers (e.g., syphilis, herpes, or chancroid) result in breaks in the genital tract lining or skin. These breaks create a portal of entry for HIV. Additionally, inflammation resulting from genital ulcers or non-ulcerative STDs (e.g., chlamydia, gonorrhea, and trichomoniasis) increase the concentration of cells in genital secretions that can serve as targets for HIV (e.g., CD4+ cells).

Increased infectiousness. STDs also appear to increase the risk of an HIV-infected person transmitting the virus to his or her sex partners. Studies have shown that HIV-infected individuals who are also infected with other STDs are particularly likely to shed HIV in their genital secretions. For example, men who are infected with both gonorrhea and HIV are more than twice as likely to have HIV in their genital secretions than are those who are infected only with HIV. Moreover, the median concentration of HIV in semen is as much as 10 times higher in men who are infected with both gonorrhea and HIV than in men infected only with HIV. The higher the concentration of HIV in semen or genital fluids, the more likely it is that HIV will be transmitted to a sex partner.

source: cdc.gov/std/hiv/STDFact-STD&HIV.htm
That’s a lot of information, thanks. 😉
So what do you think of these facts?
IPPF indicates that the risk of contracting AIDS during so-called “protected sex” approaches 100 percent as the number of episodes of sexual intercourse increases. Cates Medical Bulletin, IPPF 1997.
The only sure ways to avoid sexual transmission of diseases (including AIDS, chlamydia, genital herpes, genital warts, gonorrhoea, hepatitis B, and syphilis) are not to have sex at all or to limit sex to one uninfected partner who is also monogamous. Food and Drug Administrationc (USA) Consumer Magazine Sep 1990.
hli.org/condom_facts_sheet_failure.html
What is your point? Protected sex is no better or WORSE then un-protected sex if the person has aids, thats what I am trying to tell you.
Lets all remember that BareKnckler is just a boy and has alot to learn,Bar what are you 16 or 17
lol, I love you bill.
 
I am pretty sure no one is saying Condoms prevent HIV, but I am pretty sure they don’t make it a more likely situation. How could they? Unless, condoms can be infected with HIV then used, and then spread it, I do not think they can. Whether they encourage sex or not depends on the person, not on a person’s opinoin. Just cause I have sex with a condom doesn’t mean the person I have sex with will have any more of a chance of having HIV.
…the risk of contracting AIDS during so-called “protected sex” approaches 100 percent as the number of episodes of sexual intercourse increases. Thats the point, perhaps you need to go back and read all of your own posts, you act like its no big deal at all, and obviously it is a huge, big deal otherwise why do so many people have aids and spread it to others? Read about how it is contracted and the ways that are portals for it.
 
…the risk of contracting AIDS during so-called “protected sex” approaches 100 percent as the number of episodes of sexual intercourse increases. Thats the point, perhaps you need to go back and read all of your own posts, you act like its no big deal at all, and obviously it is a huge, big deal otherwise why do so many people have aids and spread it to others? Read about how it is contracted and the ways that are portals for it.
lol, maybe you should calm down.

I am not saying it cannot be contracted with or without a condom, but I am saying that a condom does not make it better or worse during the sex.

I do not feel interested in researching STD’s, I had to go through it in the 9th grade when they decided it was a good idea to pass pictures around to all the guys, and tell us to wait till were married, then tell us if we’re gonna have sex, to use a condom. Whether that was good advice is an opinoin, not a fact.
 
lol, maybe you should calm down.

I am not saying it cannot be contracted with or without a condom, but I am saying that a condom does not make it better or worse during the sex.

I do not feel interested in researching STD’s, I had to go through it in the 9th grade when they decided it was a good idea to pass pictures around to all the guys, and tell us to wait till were married, then tell us if we’re gonna have sex, to use a condom. Whether that was good advice is an opinoin, not a fact.
I am very calm. I am not the one who says the things that you say or does the things that you claim. What I am saying is that perhaps you ought to read how you sound. Read the first post on the link provided by praline above, this link:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=321793
Just read the last 7 paragraphs if you don’t want to read all of it.
 
Here is something I read from a link at Catholic Exchange:

From Saint Peter’s Square to Harvard Square
Media coverage of papal comments on AIDS in Africa is March madness.

By Kathryn Jean Lopez

‘We have found no consistent associations between condom use and lower HIV-infection rates, which, 25 years into the pandemic, we should be seeing if this intervention was working.”

So notes Edward C. Green, director of the AIDS Prevention Research Project at the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, in response to papal press comments en route to Africa this week.

Benedict XVI said, in response to a French reporter’s question asking him to defend the Church’s position on fighting the spread of AIDS, characterized by the reporter as “frequently considered unrealistic and ineffective”:
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I would say that this problem of AIDS cannot be overcome with advertising slogans. If the soul is lacking, if Africans do not help one another, the scourge cannot be resolved by distributing condoms; quite the contrary, we risk worsening the problem. The solution can only come through a twofold commitment: firstly, the humanization of sexuality, in other words a spiritual and human renewal bringing a new way of behaving towards one another; and secondly, true friendship, above all with those who are suffering, a readiness — even through personal sacrifice — to be present with those who suffer. And these are the factors that help and bring visible progress.
“The pope is correct,” Green told National Review Online Wednesday, “or put it a better way, the best evidence we have supports the pope’s comments. He stresses that “condoms have been proven to not be effective at the ‘level of population.’”

“There is,” Green adds, “a consistent association shown by our best studies, including the U.S.-funded ‘Demographic Health Surveys,’ between greater availability and use of condoms and higher (not lower) HIV-infection rates. This may be due in part to a phenomenon known as risk compensation, meaning that when one uses a risk-reduction ‘technology’ such as condoms, one often loses the benefit (reduction in risk) by ‘compensating’ or taking greater chances than one would take without the risk-reduction technology.”

Green added: “I also noticed that the pope said ‘monogamy’ was the best single answer to African AIDS, rather than ‘abstinence.’ The best and latest empirical evidence indeed shows that reduction in multiple and concurrent sexual partners is the most important single behavior change associated with reduction in HIV-infection rates (the other major factor is male circumcision).”

And while, as Travis Kavulla writes from Kenya today, the international media will ignore all sorts of fascinating new stories about church and civilizational growth in favor of a sexier, albeit way-too-familiar storyline, Green has some encouraging news: The pope is not alone. “More and more AIDS experts are coming to accept the above. The two countries with the worst HIV epidemics, Swaziland and Botswana, have both launched campaigns to discourage multiple and concurrent partners, and to encourage fidelity.”

The pope added during that Q&A, “I would say that our double effort is to renew the human person internally, to give spiritual and human strength to a way of behaving that is just towards our own body and the other person’s body; and this capacity of suffering with those who suffer, to remain present in trying situations.”

We need to, in other words, treat people as people. Reason with them and show them there is a better way to live, respectful of themselves and others. It’s a common-sense message that isn’t madness whether you’re in Africa or dealing with hormonal American teenagers. It’s a hard message to hear over the same-old silly debates, parodies, and dismissals. But it’s one that is based on real life—and acknowledged not just in Saint Peter’s Square but in Harvard Square.

— Kathryn Jean Lopez is editor of National Review Online.
 
I am very calm. I am not the one who says the things that you say or does the things that you claim. What I am saying is that perhaps you ought to read how you sound. Read the first post on the link provided by praline above, this link:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=321793
Just read the last 7 paragraphs if you don’t want to read all of it.
lol, what did I say that wasn’t calm and what did I claim that wasn’t clam?

I’ll read that and get back to you in a second.

Do you want me to comment on the post, or do you have a question to ask about it to me?
 
lol, what did I say that wasn’t calm and what did I claim that wasn’t clam?

I’ll read that and get back to you in a second.

Do you want me to comment on the post, or do you have a question to ask about it to me?
I didn’t say you weren’t calm, I said that I was very calm, I’m not the one doing the things you claim, if I were, I wouldn’t be so calm to be finding all of this out.

Anyway, this is the part that I wanted you to notice about that article referenced above.

You can’t resolve it with the distribution of condoms. On the contrary, it increases the problem.

Pope Benedict knows history is proving the mass distribution of condoms by the United Nations and population control organizations as the principle strategy against AIDS has failed miserably.

He also knows countries that have focused their efforts on integral sexual education, including the promotion of pre-marital abstinence and the beauty of marital fidelity, have seen infection rates plummet. Uganda is the showcase for this more human approach. Uganda once had the highest infection rate in the world. In the 1990’s, thirty percent of the country’s population was infected; today the rate is down to about eight percent.

Although the Ugandan government also educated the population on condom use for protection against the virus, many HIV / AIDS experts credit the country-wide abstinence program launched in 1994, “True Love Awaits”, for Uganda’s great success in reducing infection rates. Schools and religious organizations got behind the government program and sexual habits changed.
 
I didn’t say you weren’t calm, I said that I was very calm, I’m not the one doing the things you claim, if I were, I wouldn’t be so calm to be finding all of this out.

Anyway, this is the part that I wanted you to notice about that article referenced above.

You can’t resolve it with the distribution of condoms. On the contrary, it increases the problem.

Pope Benedict knows history is proving the mass distribution of condoms by the United Nations and population control organizations as the principle strategy against AIDS has failed miserably.

He also knows countries that have focused their efforts on integral sexual education, including the promotion of pre-marital abstinence and the beauty of marital fidelity, have seen infection rates plummet. Uganda is the showcase for this more human approach. Uganda once had the highest infection rate in the world. In the 1990’s, thirty percent of the country’s population was infected; today the rate is down to about eight percent.

Although the Ugandan government also educated the population on condom use for protection against the virus, many HIV / AIDS experts credit the country-wide abstinence program launched in 1994, “True Love Awaits”, for Uganda’s great success in reducing infection rates. Schools and religious organizations got behind the government program and sexual habits changed.
I do not agree, condoms do not encourage sex, they merely prevent (mostly) the chance of a baby being made in the process. They do not make the HIV come into you faster, and they do not make it want you more, they probably don’t do anything, so I do not see how you can get it makes it worse. Encourage sex? People want sex, thats natural, not man-made, unless you take pills or something for it.
 
I do not agree, condoms do not encourage sex, they merely prevent (mostly) the chance of a baby being made in the process. They do not make the HIV come into you faster, and they do not make it want you more, they probably don’t do anything, so I do not see how you can get it makes it worse. Encourage sex? People want sex, thats natural, not man-made, unless you take pills or something for it.
Perhaps you are wrong and your opinion is less important than the FACTS you have been given starting with post #73 when you said to Della that you had never heard that one, pretty sad don’t you think that you never heard that before? We’re telling you now and you don’t want to hear it. Perhaps that is why this is so very important to talk to young people, so that they will know the facts. That way they don’t have to just go by their opinion, which is what you are doing.
 
Perhaps you are wrong and your opinion is less important than the FACTS you have been given starting with post #73 when you said to Della that you had never heard that one, pretty sad don’t you think that you never heard that before? We’re telling you now and you don’t want to hear it. Perhaps that is why this is so very important to talk to young people, so that they will know the facts. That way they don’t have to just go by their opinion, which is what you are doing.
I have seen no Facts about condom’s causing it, I have seen facts about promoting chastity helping stop the flow. You have not given me any facts on condom’s causing it, only opinoins of a old man, who does not have my highest respect for opinoins. (He has my respect of a opinoin on some matters, but sex and condom use is not one of them).

Show me facts, not what the Pope says, thats not fact, thats opinoin, even if you wish what he said was facts.
 
I do not agree, condoms do not encourage sex, they merely prevent (mostly) the chance of a baby being made in the process. They do not make the HIV come into you faster, and they do not make it want you more, they probably don’t do anything, so I do not see how you can get it makes it worse. Encourage sex? People want sex, thats natural, not man-made, unless you take pills or something for it.
No where in what I asked you to read did it say any of this that you posted, I really have a hard time believing that you are even reading what people say to you. It sounds as though you are having a conversation in your own mind with yourself.
 
I do not agree, condoms do not encourage sex, they merely prevent (mostly) the chance of a baby being made in the process. They do not make the HIV come into you faster, and they do not make it want you more, they probably don’t do anything, so I do not see how you can get it makes it worse. Encourage sex? People want sex, thats natural, not man-made, unless you take pills or something for it.
Um…Knuckler? No Catholic on this forum has said that condoms make HIV come into you faster. :rolleyes:
 
When I said that none of what I asked you to read I meant, about the Pope, since that is what I just asked you to read, then you asked me if I wanted to ask you anything about it or to comment on it.

I am happy to see that you did see those other FACTS though, perhaps you need to reread them and take them in.

Now, I also would appreciate it if you didn’t refer to the Holy Father in the way you do, I know you don’t understand this or believe this, but he is your Holy Father too, thats a HUGE part of the world’s problems, people aren’t listening to him. For those of us who do however, we don’t have a problem with respecting our elders and know that they are far wiser than us. In his case, he hands on ALL of Jesus’ teachings, ALL of them, and explains them quite well, he is very intelligent. It isn’t that he just sits around and makes things up. In any case, you would do well to listen to other than your own opinions.
 
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