The pope settles the "all" vs "many" debate for the uber-catholics

[YinYangMom]

If Christ asked us to love one another as He has loved us…

If, while on His time on earth, He visited all people, inviting them to follow Him…

Then why is any follower of Christ worried about all people being saved?

Is it because some Catholics want to believe Christ came only for them?

Does it bring joy to Catholics’ hearts to know without a doubt that there will be souls going to hell at the end times?

Do these Catholics honestly believe God wishes it to be so?

I could have sworn Christ came to save the world, that God wants all of humanity to know Him, to love Him and to serve Him.

Granted, there will be many who will not respond to His call…but that doesn’t mean God doesn’t want them. It still hurts Him to know even one of His creations failed to recognize Him.

Christ was the Good Shepherd…spending as much of his time seeking the lost sheep as possible. We are called to do the same. So why are there Catholics doing everything they can to exclude people?

 

[BulldogCath]

Were talking a sacrament here and it’s validity. Why not just change everything to make it one big get together and have the One World Religion being pushed for.

I think you missed the question. If a sacrament is invalid, because someone has an agenda, we are all not actually receiving the GRACES that we should have been.

Go and read the Baltimore Catechism-the 1983 version probably reinterpreted that also

YinYangMom:

If Christ asked us to love one another as He has loved us…

If, while on His time on earth, He visited all people, inviting them to follow Him…

Then why is any follower of Christ worried about all people being saved?

Is it because some Catholics want to believe Christ came only for them?

Does it bring joy to Catholics’ hearts to know without a doubt that there will be souls going to hell at the end times?

Do these Catholics honestly believe God wishes it to be so?

I could have sworn Christ came to save the world, that God wants all of humanity to know Him, to love Him and to serve Him.

Granted, there will be many who will not respond to His call…but that doesn’t mean God doesn’t want them. It still hurts Him to know even one of His creations failed to recognize Him.

Christ was the Good Shepherd…spending as much of his time seeking the lost sheep as possible. We are called to do the same. So why are there Catholics doing everything they can to exclude people?

 

[YinYangMom]

BulldogCath:

I think you missed the question. If a sacrament is invalid, because someone has an agenda, we are all not actually receiving the GRACES that we should have been.

Oye. What a question. “Someone” having an agenda, as in the leaders who instituted the sacrament or the form in which it is administered? Or “Someone” as in the person seeking the sacrament?

I guess I like keeping things simple…

If it’s the case of the leaders instituting poor practices, then I trust in the Holy Spirit to safeguard anyone’s ‘agenda’ from developing into poor instruction in the first place. Should that leader fail to see the Spirit in his instruction, and proceed to push his ‘agenda’ then I trust God would not hold us accountable for that deception. I can’t imagine God would deprive us of any graces we seek when we seek them to the best of our knowledge, trusting in the source of our instruction. If the practice is flawed because of one person’s agenda, then I trust the Lord will correct it in time through another servant of His. In the meantime, as a follower I run a greater risk of losing grace by presuming to read the heart of one selected by the Church to guide my spiritual growth than I do by following that person’s instructions.

As for the case of the person seeking the sacrament having an agenda, that’s between that person and the Lord. God alone sees the true nature of our heart, and He alone dispenses grace accordingly. If the person seeking the sacrament has an ‘agenda’ then that person is only fooling himself, not the Lord.

Then again, I’m obviously not in the same league as those of you having this discussion. I apologize if my simplicity disrupted the flow of the debate. It’s been quite interesting reading though. Thanks for that.