The Pope star, headlining at a gig near you: Catholic bishops under fire for 'cringe-making' guide to the Papal visit

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Where does it explain that an altar is for sacrifice? That the Pope is the Vicar of Christ? That the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ? That the Son is offered to the Father?
It does not explain the terms it equates them to terms that have no relation to them.
Its not a Catechism, it appears to merely be a cheat sheet to Catholic terms. It appears you’re thinking its something its not.
Come on father you should know this. I hope you are joking but if you are please let everybody know. It would be tragic for people to be scandalized by believing a priest actually thinks this is a good idea.
As far as I can tell it doesn’t look like a bad idea. And if the British Bishops thought it was a good idea, why would someone be scandalized that an American priest didn’t disagree?
 
Its not a Catechism, it appears to merely be a cheat sheet to Catholic terms. It appears you’re thinking its something its not.

As far as I can tell it doesn’t look like a bad idea. And if the British Bishops thought it was a good idea, why would someone be scandalized that an American priest didn’t disagree?
Atleast you are clear about where you stand. You are for homosexuals in the priesthood, as you made clear in a thread a few weeks ago, and you are fine with sacred things, including Christ in the Eucharist, being referred to in vulgar terms, and equivicated to secular things that have no sacred meaning.

And people wonder why so few believe any more and there is so little reverence for the Mass, the Church and the Eucharist.

Very true, I guess we shouldn’t be scandalized by things priests say and do anymore. I hope and pray some day that will change.

God bless
 
His audience will not understand that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ.
I understand that the zealous find it all scandalous, but he’s not going to visit Catholics or a Catholic country.
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Excuse me, but he IS visiting Catholics and his ‘audience’ will certainly be Catholic. I think the silly thing has been put together for people organising the gig, putting the stage together, that sort of thing. I guess they are stupid and can’t possibly understand something that is not entertainment so the translation is necessary.
 
This makes me fairly sick and is reducing what we hold the most sacred to a mockery.
I agree. The thing has taken on a carnival atmosphere with all the commercial markings of a rock concert. How sad.
 
And people wonder why so few believe any more and there is so little reverence for the Mass, the Church and the Eucharist.
Another sign of the times, I guess, to propose that frivolity should cross the boundary of respect and deference and further weaken the image of the Kingdom. 🤷
 
and you are fine with sacred things, including Christ in the Eucharist, being referred to in vulgar terms, and equivicated to secular things that have no sacred meaning.
They weren’t being refered to in “vulgar terms.” Let’s get a grip here. They used examples of the profane to teach the sacred terms.
And people wonder why so few believe any more and there is so little reverence for the Mass, the Church and the Eucharist.
Well its a good thing that the college of bishops, successors of the apostles, have you to correct them…:rolleyes:
 
They weren’t being refered to in “vulgar terms.” Let’s get a grip here. They used examples of the profane to teach the sacred terms.

Well its a good thing that the college of bishops, successors of the apostles, have you to correct them…:rolleyes:
They should have put it in the other order, then - they should be saying, let’s call the table an Altar, instead of saying, let’s call the Altar a table. But the way it’s listed, it shows the Altar being called a table, instead of the other way around. (Even though it only looks superficially like a table - it’s the wrong height, for one thing.)

i think it would make more sense to just have pictures with the proper labels, instead of trying to equate them with show business stuff or home furnishings.
 
They weren’t being refered to in “vulgar terms.” Let’s get a grip here. They used examples of the profane to teach the sacred terms.

Well its a good thing that the college of bishops, successors of the apostles, have you to correct them…:rolleyes:
You are talking in circles. I made the comment they should teach the meaning of the sacred items instead of comparing them to secular items, you say they aren’t supposed to be teaching. I say they should not refer to sacred items wih secular names and you say they are doing it to teach.

Your last comment makes no sense. Are you trying to imply bishops never make bad decisions? Read the news much?
 
You are talking in circles. I made the comment they should teach the meaning of the sacred items instead of comparing them to secular items, you say they aren’t supposed to be teaching. I say they should not refer to sacred items wih secular names and you say they are doing it to teach.
They are teaching Church terms not theology. There’s a difference.
Your last comment makes no sense. Are you trying to imply bishops never make bad decisions? Read the news much?
Apparently they always do and good folks like you are there to set them straight. Thanks be to God!
 
They should have put it in the other order, then - they should be saying, let’s call the table an Altar, instead of saying, let’s call the Altar a table. But the way it’s listed, it shows the Altar being called a table, instead of the other way around.
I think that’s nit picking. When I looked at it I not for one second thought they were calling the altar a table.
i think it would make more sense to just have pictures with the proper labels, instead of trying to equate them with show business stuff or home furnishings.
There were perhaps better ways of accomplishing the same task. However that doesn’t mean the way that was chosen is a sign of the apocalypse.
 
They are teaching Church terms not theology. There’s a difference.

Apparently they always do and good folks like you are there to set them straight. Thanks be to God!
Terms are not to be seperated from what they signify. Words and terms are used to relay concepts they are not just letters and sounds. Terms are not being taught, as you claim, their meanings are being changed by attaching them to words with other established concepts and meanings. They are not teaching terms they are distorting them by changing their sacred meaning to a vulgar one.

Father, you should remember this from Philosophy.

Yes bishops make mistakes as all of us do. Whay are you acting so shocked or making such a big deal out of people commenting on it?

Your sarcasm is unappreciated and unbecoming.
 
Let’s remember to be nice everyone!

Maybe we should take a minute to chill a bit.
 
This topic has run its course. Hopefully someone from the Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales has seen it and will print it for those poor bumbling souls.

Good day.
 
Let’s remember to be nice everyone!

Maybe we should take a minute to chill a bit.
I agree…a lot of unnecessary lack of charity on this one.

I think they could have been clearer with their explanation, since the goal was to educate people on the correct terms for a Catholic event. They have explained that the point was to make it clear to others that the term “altar” should be used instead of “table;” “Eucharist” instead of “bread and wine:” etc. However, the table looks like it is equating the terms.

I don’t think it makes people “zealots” or “elitists” to point out that the altar isn’t a table, but apparently that wasn’t the goal of the pamphlet.
 
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