The Pope vs. The Donald

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In U.S. visit, Francis will tout immigration, call for compassion toward migrants.

The anti-Donald Trump is coming to town. And he speaks Spanish, too.

When Pope Francis addresses Congress later this month, U.S. Catholic leaders expect the popular, groundbreaking pontiff to call on Americans to set aside their political divisions and unite to tackle challenges such as climate change, economic inequality and immigration reform.

It’s a message that could offer Washington a temporary respite from months of bitter clashes in Congress and on the 2016 campaign trail, where, propelled by Trump’s forceful language, ideas such as mass deportations and border walls are all the rage. And both Republicans and Democrats will likely be on their best behavior during Francis’s visit (“This is not an opportunity for taunting,” a Democratic campaign official said. Trump’s team had no comment.)

The pope’s handlers insist he’s coming as a pastor, not a politician, but there’s no question Francis’ visit will carry political overtones, especially on immigration, where he could provide the most forceful counterpoint to Trump so far.

Read more: politico.com/story/2015/09/pope-francis-donald-trump-213343#ixzz3kzkiZzXC
 
This is a bit off topic… but what is the significance of Independence Mall in Philadelphia? I noticed on the Popes trip schedule that he will visit there on the Saturday afternoon before returning home. When I googled it it just seemed to be an ordinary mall.
 
So, what’s the line on how Trump will react to Francis’s visit and address to Congress? Certainly the Supreme Pontiff will make statements that will rattle Trump’s facade. . . .immigration, probably…😉
 
they are seeking asylum,as their lives are being threatened by extremists.i commend Germany ,Italy ,Austria etc or welcoming them,with open arms ,regardless of their creed .That’s the essence of Christianity! However, here in the USA,people who called themselves Christians are hostile to people from Mexico and Central America seeking for better opportunity ,as their lives are being threatened ,as well, by criminal elements.mr trump is naïve about immigration policies,like he is naïve about foreign policies.he wants to deport all undocumented immigrants and have them apply for visa.do you know what that entails.an applicant has to prove that his/her skills are needed here and must be professional ! so for farmworkers,cab drivers, janitors,dishwashers,construction workers and other non skilled jobs,that many of these people hold ,they wouldn’t qualify and will be imposible to obtain visa .just to apply for tourist visa,one has to prove that he/she has ~ 50k in the bank,accumulated gradually ,not overnight . needs to furnish as well certificate of tangible properties ,proof of well paying employment etc.
 
Once again. The refugees pouring into Greece, are not fleeing war. They’re leaving Turkey to go to European countries where life will be alot easier.
 
Seamus_L said:
Once again. The refugees pouring into Greece, are not fleeing war. They’re leaving Turkey to go to European countries where life will be alot easier.
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I thought they entered Turkey from Syria in order to get to Europe to seek asylum. I don’t think they are Turks, I think they are Syrians.
 
pakengkeng said:
they are seeking asylum,as their lives are being threatened by extremists.i commend Germany ,Italy ,Austria etc or welcoming them,with open arms ,regardless of their creed .That’s the essence of Christianity! However, here in the USA,people who called themselves Christians are hostile to people from Mexico and Central America seeking for better opportunity ,as their lives are being threatened ,as well, by criminal elements.mr trump is naïve about immigration policies,like he is naïve about foreign policies.he wants to deport all undocumented immigrants and have them apply for visa.do you know what that entails.an applicant has to prove that his/her skills are needed here and must be professional ! so for farmworkers,cab drivers, janitors,dishwashers,construction workers and other non skilled jobs,that many of these people hold ,they wouldn’t qualify and will be imposible to obtain visa .just to apply for tourist visa,one has to prove that he/she has ~ 50k in the bank,accumulated gradually ,not overnight . needs to furnish as well certificate of tangible properties ,proof of well paying employment etc.
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Are those coming from Mexico threatened by extremists?
Are they seeking asylum?
 
gilliam said:
In U.S. visit, Francis will tout immigration, call for compassion toward migrants.

The anti-Donald Trump is coming to town. And he speaks Spanish, too.

When Pope Francis addresses Congress later this month, U.S. Catholic leaders expect the popular, groundbreaking pontiff to call on Americans to set aside their political divisions and unite to tackle challenges such as climate change, economic inequality and immigration reform.

It’s a message that could offer Washington a temporary respite from months of bitter clashes in Congress and on the 2016 campaign trail, where, propelled by Trump’s forceful language, ideas such as mass deportations and border walls are all the rage. And both Republicans and Democrats will likely be on their best behavior during Francis’s visit (“This is not an opportunity for taunting,” a Democratic campaign official said. Trump’s team had no comment.)

The pope’s handlers insist he’s coming as a pastor, not a politician, but there’s no question Francis’ visit will carry political overtones, especially on immigration, where he could provide the most forceful counterpoint to Trump so far.

Read more: politico.com/story/2015/09/pope-francis-donald-trump-213343#ixzz3kzkiZzXC
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Am I the only one that thinks the Pope will mention abortion and euthanasia as part of the throw away culture in his address? Am I the only one that thinks Pope Francis will talk about how same sex marriage messes around with the human ecology?
 
I doubt it will have much impact. Trump is a protestant, not a Catholic. He’s unlikely to put any more credence in the words of the Pope than he would any other head of state.
 
Whatever Pope Francis says trumps what anyone else says…IMHO. 🙂
 
AKDee said:
I doubt it will have much impact. Trump is a protestant, not a Catholic. He’s unlikely to put any more credence in the words of the Pope than he would any other head of state.
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If so, he will only be following the example of Catholic politicians. For, unfortunately, all of them fall short with the Church’s teaching on contraception. Also, it is sinful to break the law like illegal immigrants do.

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TheSurvivor said:
If so, he will only be following the example of Catholic politicians. For, unfortunately, all of them fall short with the Church’s teaching on contraception. Also, it is sinful to break the law like illegal immigrants do.

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Oh, I agree. Please don’t take my comment as agreement with Trump’s position. It is just how I feel he will respond to the Pope.
 
AFAIK, Mr. Trump has said that he is in favor of legal immigration.
 
Inquiringperson said:
Am I the only one that thinks the Pope will mention abortion and euthanasia as part of the throw away culture in his address? Am I the only one that thinks Pope Francis will talk about how same sex marriage messes around with the human ecology?
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No you’re not the only one. I do too. But as I hear the Holy Father, he desires the faithful to broaden the topics and focus beyond just those few as important as abortion, SSM, and euthanasia are of course to the faith. And the Pontiff strives for the faithful to hear him on the whole package of the faith and to focus on and take heed to what he says on topics of income inequality, climate change and immigration as well. There must be a reason he spends a lot of time on those. I can’t help but wonder if it could be because he believes not enough focus as been given to these other issues.
 
Sy_Noe said:
No you’re not the only one. I do too. But as I hear the Holy Father, he desires the faithful to broaden the topics and focus beyond just those few as important as abortion, SSM, and euthanasia are of course to the faith. And the Pontiff strives for the faithful to hear him on the whole package of the faith and to focus on and take heed to what he says on topics of income inequality, climate change and immigration as well. There must be a reason he spends a lot of time on those. I can’t help but wonder if it could be because he believes not enough focus as been given to these other issues.
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Pope Francis is astute in the way of a ‘savant’ in my opinion. His approach reminds me of an account of Ignaz Semmelweis, a German physician in the 19th century who claimed that doctors washing the hands reduced the incidence of puerperal fever (childbed fever) in birthing mothers. The conservative medical community poo pahed him as a ‘quack’ (liberal) … but history proved his simple antidote to be a groundbreaking protocol in the preservation of babies and their mothers.
 
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