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iamback2tlk:
Does the pope read this website? If not do other robed men brief him of what this site is saying?
Probably no to both questions.
Is pope jonh paul with God in heaven right now?
Although we cannot presume to know that, I would say his chances are pretty high, judging by the fruit of his faith and the beauty of his life.
If so does he have a closer relationship with him then a non pope has?
A street sweeper may have as close a relationship with God as a Pope – and you KNOW that, don’t you?
 
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iamback2tlk:
The pope seems to have the authority to make changes in doctrine.
Not quite. Popes can define what is and has always been doctrine, where an issue is in dispute, with two or more parties suggesting alternative doctrines. He cannot make up doctrine afresh.
As you campare popes each one has his oun influence. One pope may be more liberal and another may be more conseritive.
There have been very few popes who might be called ‘liberal’. Some who might have been immoral in their personal lives, some who were more tolerant or less autocratic, but popes have largely been pretty consistent in enforcing the traditions of their faith. Catholics like to think this is due to the influence of the Holy Ghost.
Can a pope be a woman? Does the current pope permit women to be priests?
No. And–No. It is widely believed in the RCC that it is impossible for women to receive the charism of the priesthood, although this has not been infallibly defined as such.
Are Gay priests removed from duty?
By ‘gay’ I am assuming you mean only that someone has same-sex attractions, not that they are willfully engaged in immoral behavior. If so then your answer woud be: not usually although they can be if they are not observing chastity and remaining faithful to their vows of celibacy.
Does the pope read this website? If not do other robed men brief him of what this site is saying?
Very doubtful. There are likely as not, hundreds or even thousands of such message boards in various languages. On th other hand, Ratzinger was interviewed on the Catholic Answers radio show I understand–if so, he may be somewhat aware of the message board. It would not be especially important to him to have someone provide him a synopsis of activity here, however. What would be the need of it?
I know he has an email addy, but I doubt he is able to read a tiny percentage of them.
Same logic applies to computer-based message boards.
Is pope jonh paul with God in heaven right now?
We will only know that of a certainty if and when he is canonised.
If so does he have a closer relationship with him then a non pope has?
Not necessarily. He may be getting his ear chewed off by the Savior over his misdeeds in running the Catholic Church even as I write. I think he did a pretty-good job but my ways are not the Lord’s and besides I’m not Roman Catholic. (I happen to think that Jesus isn’t either, but that’s another thread).

Welcome back.
 
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EA_Man:
Catholic Herald: “A scholarly compilation, invaluable for the planning of evangelization.”

National Catholic Reporter: “A feat unparalleled since Caesar Augustus issued his famous decree ‘for a census of the whole world’.”

National Catholic News Service: “It outdistances everything that has yet been published.”

globalchristianity.org/gem-about.htm
Sorry, I tried to back track in the thread but, for the life of me, I can’t figure out what you are referring to. Sorry to be so obtuse. Can you give a hint? Thank you.
 
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Ignatius:
Sorry, I tried to back track in the thread but, for the life of me, I can’t figure out what you are referring to. Sorry to be so obtuse. Can you give a hint? Thank you.
My fault.

I was trying to respond to Gottle of Geer
Gottle of Geer:
I would very much like to see how David Barrett arrived at the figures in question: IOW - what was the method he used in doing his sums ? ##
I was trying to give a couple of links to the World Christian Encyclopedia and to David Barrett’s web site in order to provide some information so anyone interested may examine Barretts’ methodology in how he arrived at the figures he puts out.

The citations of the reviews from Catholic publications are only to indicate that a broad acceptance exists for Barretts’ work including Catholics.

Bottom Line - get to know the sources that you “quote” from. This goes for everyone - non-Catholic & Catholic alike.

The 30,000 denomination figure is a misapplication of Barretts’ figures.

ntrmin.org/30000denominations.htm

Barretts’ work is a serious attempt to categorize all known denominations. He employs a serious methodology. My contention is that rather than use a figure out of context and then repeat it everywhere, how about understanding what he is actually saying and how he arrived at his conclusions?

Barretts’ classification of a denomination rests on his definition as an ecclesial body that maintains “semi-autonomy” in jurisdiction.

This is not the same, as many have assumed, that each of these “denominations” has a different set of beliefs.

You may not agree with Barretts’ definition of denomination, but at least get an understanding of how he arrived at his figures.
 
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EA_Man:
I was trying to give a couple of links to the World Christian Encyclopedia and to David Barrett’s web site . . .
Thanks EA. Helpful info. Can we please go back to the topic?
 
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mercygate:
A street sweeper may have as close a relationship with God as a Pope – and you KNOW that, don’t you?
Innocent III said:

Ye see what manner of servant it is whom the Lord hath set over his people, no other than the vicegerent of Christ, the successor of Peter. He stands in the midst between God and man; below God, above man; less than God, more than man. He judges all and is judged by none.

How are we to reconcile these two statements?

Innocent is stating that the pope is positioned above man but below God. How then can the street sweeper have as close a relationship with God as the pope?
 
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EA_Man:
Innocent III said:

Ye see what manner of servant it is whom the Lord hath set over his people, no other than the vicegerent of Christ, the successor of Peter. He stands in the midst between God and man; below God, above man; less than God, more than man. He judges all and is judged by none.

How are we to reconcile these two statements?

Innocent is stating that the pope is positioned above man but below God. How then can the street sweeper have as close a relationship with God as the pope?
In this quotation from his coronation sermon Innocent is describing the dignity of the papal office, not the man, who may be as frail a sinner as anyone (although we pray he won’t be).

The quotation continues to describe the essential personal character required for the exercise an office which functions below God/above man:
Innocent III:
But he, whom the pre-eminence of dignity exalts, is humbled by his vocation as a servant, that so humility may be exalted and pride be cast down; for God is against the high-minded, and to the lowly He shows mercy; and whoso exalteth himself shall be abased.
 
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Perry5:
The Pope,

just a short two or three years or so ago while making a sabaticle to Mexico decreed that heaven,hell and the lake of fire as understood by humanity do not exsist.
He did not say that tey do not exist. He said they are not physical, material places as this world understand space and time. Indeed, we all know that space and time as we understand them limit our ability to comprehend the mysteries of eternal life.
 
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Perry5:
Do you know where heaven is?

Doyou know where hell is?

Do you know where the lake of fire is?

iff i did not know where i was going would you follow me???

(The Pope,)

just a short two or three years or so ago while making a sabaticle to Mexico decreed that heaven,hell and the lake of fire as understood by humanity do not exsist.

ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

heal-all.com/krabac/heavenandhell.html
:whacky: :rotfl: I think you’d better reread them. He in no way said that they do not exist. Do you believe that this physical world is the only existance?
 
A streetsweeper can have as close of a relationship with God as the Pope does…U already knew that didn’t you?

Actually I do beleive that to be true. But as I expected, some Catholics agree with this and from the earlier posting,some catholics say no. They say the pope is “special”.

And wassup with the pope not being in heaven until he is cannonized. What’s cannonized,who does it and why?

So some of us go to heaven and the pope is between us and God…and some of us are in purgatory…and some of us are waiting to become a saint…and the rest of us just wait till the judgement.
Is Satan and his angels in hell alone,waiting for us?

I think it would be cool if the pope said a few words on this forum. Maybe he has?
 
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iamback2tlk:
And wassup with the pope not being in heaven until he is cannonized. What’s cannonized,who does it and why?
Where did you get that idea? The Pope may be in heaven (and in the case of JP II, I’m pretty sure he is) but canonization does not “promote” a person to heaven. Canonization is a legal a process by which the Church conducts an examination of the person’s life, and when the life has been determined to be one of “heroic sanctity”, and with the confirmation of authenticated miracles, the Church is able to declare that person, without doubt, to be in Heaven. Your saintly grandmother and mine are probably sipping tea together in heaven right now – but they are not canonized, so we cannot publicly recognize that fact as a matter of faith.
So some of us go to heaven and the pope is between us and God…
Are you messin’ with my head here? Surely after all these posts you have a clearer grasp of this than that.
and some of us are in purgatory…and some of us are waiting to become a saint…and the rest of us just wait till the judgement. Is Satan and his angels in hell alone,waiting for us?
Think of Purgatory as the vestibule of heaven. The souls in Purgatory are saints. They are in their final purification (because "nothing unclean shall enter the City – Rev 21:27) before the final judgment. For clarification on judgment, see *The Catechism of the Catholic Church *scborromeo.org/ccc.htm #’'s 1051, 1022, 1023, and 1806.
I think it would be cool if the pope said a few words on this forum. Maybe he has?
If you would like a few words from the Pope, why not read one of his books? The following titles are in print (there are others) and might shed some light on your questions (they are available through Ignatius Press ignatiusinsight.com/authors/cardinalratzinger.asp.

I am told that *Introduction to Christianity *is outstanding. But be warned: Ratzinger’s books, though lucid, are not a speed-read.

- Behold the Pierced One**
- Co-Workers of the Truth: Meditations for Every Day of the Year
- - The Feast of Faith
- God and the World
- God Is Near Us: The Eucharist, the Heart of Life
- Introduction to Christianity
- Meaning of Christian Brotherhood
- Principles of Catholic Theology
- Truth and Tolerance: Christian Belief and World Religions
 
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flameburns623:
RE: Women Priests
… No. And–No. It is widely believed in the RCC that it is impossible for women to receive the charism of the priesthood, although this has not been infallibly defined as such.
Actually this has been addressed several times and should be considered to be a closed subject. I has been infallibly stated that the priesthood is for Males only, as they are the spouse of the Church. The Church is the Bride of Christ, hence her spouse must be Male. Also, the priest acts “In persona Christi” and Christ was a Male human.

CARose
 
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mercygate:
…I am told that Introduction to Christianity is outstanding. But be warned: Ratzinger’s books, though lucid, are not a speed-read. …
I heard the same thing just last night, from someone who appears to be 3/4ths of the way through the book. He said it was extremely rich in theology but that it took effort to read. It was highly recommended to anyone willing to put in some energy.

CARose
 
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mercygate:
In this quotation from his coronation sermon Innocent is describing the dignity of the papal office, not the man, who may be as frail a sinner as anyone (although we pray he won’t be).
Interesting - I didn’t see the reference to the office in his sermon.

How do we know from his statements that he “may be as frail a sinner as anyone” since he himself said that “he judges all and is judged by none”? Could it be that Innocent III was asserting not just the dignity of office but also his personal temporal power?

In this same vein, the statements you cite that he made later:
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mercygate:
But he, whom the pre-eminence of dignity exalts, is humbled by his vocation as a servant, that so humility may be exalted and pride be cast down; for God is against the high-minded, and to the lowly He shows mercy; and whoso exalteth himself shall be abased.
beg the question: How is this humility exhibited? By issuing interdicts against entire countries, France for example?

In issuing the interdict against France the goal was to create POLITICAL pressure to force Phillip to take back his lawful wife.
How does the sin of adultery or bigamy of one man earn a nine month interdict against an entire country or region?

If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,'you would not have condemned the innocent. Mt. 12:7

If excommunication and interdict were effective tools in the Middle Ages to reunite husbands and wives, why the reticence to employ them now for the same goal or to correct worse sins such as abortion or capital punishment?

Jesus said that His kingdom “is not of this world”. Does that apply to the Pope as far as Innocent’s involvement in the political realm goes?

Innocent III’s reign marks the high point of Papal political power. If that involvement in politics is legitimate then why has it been largely discarded? If it is not legitimate, then why was it pursued to begin with?

To quote Boniface VIII, “I am Caesar, I am the emperor.”
Also his statement in the Unam Sanctum is telling, “we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” He is not referring to issues solely of Faith and Morals here. He is making a claim of temporal obedience to the pope being a requirement for salvation.
 
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