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jAlex
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Let me know when they start condoning suicide, starting holy wars and invading other countries. Never seen that happen. Islam on the other hand…
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readsalot
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Christians Are Persecuted Throughout the Muslim World.
There are over 50 Muslim countries around the world. All of them incorporate some elements of sharia, or Islamic law in practice. This is the same sharia law that considers conversion to Christianity an offense punishable by death. And while many Muslim countries officially allow Christian worship, most have placed restrictions on Christians, making worship difficult and even dangerous.
Here are some examples:
Egypt: Attacks by Muslim fundamentalists against Coptic Christians are common and not being effectively countered by the government. The government has conducted mass detentions, harasses and tortures Christian converts and restricts the expansion and repair of Christian facilities.
Indonesia: The government closes down churches without explanation, depriving Christians of places of worship. Christian women are forced to conform to Muslim dress codes. Churches have also been burned to the ground.
Iran: To convert from Islam to another faith is a criminal offense in Iran. Christians are routinely threatened, arrested, imprisoned and tortured because of their faith.
Jordan: Muslim woman are often killed by their own families for marrying Christian men. A court in Jordan ordered a Christian widow sent to jail because she refused to hand over her two young children to be raised as Muslims.
Lebanon: Once over half the Lebanese population, Lebanese Christians now make up 30% of the population. Civil war, persecution and anti-Christian violence have led to mass Christian emigration.
Nigeria: Northern Nigeria is mostly Muslim. The government there appears to be conducting a campaign to eradicate all evidence of Christianity in that part of the country. Anti-Christian mob violence and church burning is common.
Pakistan: Christians have been the target of trumped up charges of blasphemy. They are often the target of fundamentalist Muslims, who have even attacked Churches and schools with firearms and hand grenades. A high court judge who acquitted Christians in a blasphemy case was assassinated.
Palestinian Authority: There have been numerous reported cases of Christian worshippers and converts harassed, beaten, imprisoned and killed. In July, 2003, a Palestinian convert to Christianity was murdered and carved into four pieces as a warning to other Christians.
Saudi Arabia: All Christian worship is forbidden in the country - even within the U.S. Embassy. Christians have been jailed and deported for possessing a Bible. Saudi Muslim citizens who convert to Christianity are subject to the death penalty.
Sudan: The Muslim northern government has encouraged and facilitated attacks on Christians in the south, including mob violence and church burnings. Horrendous civil rights violations are conducted against the Christians and non-Muslims. Crucifixion and slavery have been reported.
United Arab Emirates: A Filipino pastor was arrested for distributing Christian materials. A Lebanese Christian man who married a Muslim woman from UAE was arrested, tortured and forced to divorce his wife after moving to UAE
There are over 50 Muslim countries around the world. All of them incorporate some elements of sharia, or Islamic law in practice. This is the same sharia law that considers conversion to Christianity an offense punishable by death. And while many Muslim countries officially allow Christian worship, most have placed restrictions on Christians, making worship difficult and even dangerous.
Here are some examples:
Egypt: Attacks by Muslim fundamentalists against Coptic Christians are common and not being effectively countered by the government. The government has conducted mass detentions, harasses and tortures Christian converts and restricts the expansion and repair of Christian facilities.
Indonesia: The government closes down churches without explanation, depriving Christians of places of worship. Christian women are forced to conform to Muslim dress codes. Churches have also been burned to the ground.
Iran: To convert from Islam to another faith is a criminal offense in Iran. Christians are routinely threatened, arrested, imprisoned and tortured because of their faith.
Jordan: Muslim woman are often killed by their own families for marrying Christian men. A court in Jordan ordered a Christian widow sent to jail because she refused to hand over her two young children to be raised as Muslims.
Lebanon: Once over half the Lebanese population, Lebanese Christians now make up 30% of the population. Civil war, persecution and anti-Christian violence have led to mass Christian emigration.
Nigeria: Northern Nigeria is mostly Muslim. The government there appears to be conducting a campaign to eradicate all evidence of Christianity in that part of the country. Anti-Christian mob violence and church burning is common.
Pakistan: Christians have been the target of trumped up charges of blasphemy. They are often the target of fundamentalist Muslims, who have even attacked Churches and schools with firearms and hand grenades. A high court judge who acquitted Christians in a blasphemy case was assassinated.
Palestinian Authority: There have been numerous reported cases of Christian worshippers and converts harassed, beaten, imprisoned and killed. In July, 2003, a Palestinian convert to Christianity was murdered and carved into four pieces as a warning to other Christians.
Saudi Arabia: All Christian worship is forbidden in the country - even within the U.S. Embassy. Christians have been jailed and deported for possessing a Bible. Saudi Muslim citizens who convert to Christianity are subject to the death penalty.
Sudan: The Muslim northern government has encouraged and facilitated attacks on Christians in the south, including mob violence and church burnings. Horrendous civil rights violations are conducted against the Christians and non-Muslims. Crucifixion and slavery have been reported.
United Arab Emirates: A Filipino pastor was arrested for distributing Christian materials. A Lebanese Christian man who married a Muslim woman from UAE was arrested, tortured and forced to divorce his wife after moving to UAE
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sadie2723
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By the way…want to read about all the fabulous ways the followers of the Religion of Peace treats Christians that do not convert. Check this out.
persecution.com/
persecution.com/
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pro_universal
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Did you even look to see if these people had condemned it?
Yudhoyono’s statements on terrorism: indonesian-embassy.ir/NewsArticle9.html
Saddam: Did he ever claim to be a Muslim leader? Saddam was Secularist leader with Christians in his highest levels (Tariq Aziz)…but on top of that, he expressed his sympathy with Americans on September 11th (but blamed US policy for the crime).
Ahmadinejad: Is not a spiritual leader, but his bosses are, and they have repeatedly condemned terrorism: http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm
I have my copy right here. I’ve read the whole thing, and I see no rational way to get that interpretation from it.
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pro_universal
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Suicide: what do you think sati is!?
Holy wars: they have tried to start them…those were the folks who killed Ghandi.
invading other countries: They did. They’re still in Kashmir.
So do we start the ball rolling to “wake up” to the Hindu threat in America now too?
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pro_universal
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Hey readsalot:
It’s right and proper to give credit when you quote any material. When your entire post is taken from a website, that should be quoted too: c4rpme.org/christians.html
It’s right and proper to give credit when you quote any material. When your entire post is taken from a website, that should be quoted too: c4rpme.org/christians.html
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sadie2723
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Crumpy
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I do know. I’m laughing at the whole thing. First of all, the Muslims get mad at everything. They act like babies, anyway.
Second, jAlex is right on point. I told my 82-yo mother this morning that the Muslims were mad about something the Pope said. She replied, well, we’re mad about a lot of the things they say all the time, too.
There’s a lot of Muslims here in the U.S. And, we don’t go blowing them up, just because of something they say.
Where are all the moderate Muslims and those who do not agree with the Muslim extremists? We seem to be witnessing a culture of people who don’t believe in free speech or freedom of religion.
Islam has itself all tied up in a box, that nobody can get out of. Nobody inside or outside is supposed to question anything about it, or even the interpretation of it. It’s very self-serving.
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sadie2723
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Hey guys, I cracked open the Koran and look what I found…yup…sounds like our man Mohamad was Mr. Peace. I wonder how anybody could read this peaceful matierial and then go do something violent against a Christian:
*• “Fight in the way of Allah.” 2:190, 2:244
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don’t kill them.) 2:191-2
War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74
Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91*
*• “Fight in the way of Allah.” 2:190, 2:244
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don’t kill them.) 2:191-2
War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74
Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91*
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Image_of_God
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I have heard a popular quote from the Quran saying “KILL the unbeliever.” There is a great contrast between Jesus and Muhammed. Jesus never said to kill people because they didn’t believe. Jesus gave himself for us…the most ultimate act of love, but Muhammed did not. Muslims believe that Jesus was a great prophet, but they don’t listen what he said.
I am not saying that I hate Islam for they respect the name of Jesus and God more than many Christians, but if they really believe that Jesus was a great prophet then listen to everything He said.
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MugenOne
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It’s because our Bible ain’t worth the paper it’s printed on. It is corrupted.
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Image_of_God
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Prove to me that the Bible is corrupt and I will not believe you. Why? Because you cannot. It is not corrupted.
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sadie2723
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So then…kill all the non-blelievers…right?
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Rand_Al_Thor
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Pax tecum!
And have the Muslim extremists noticed that Catholics have not threatened to kill Muslims and demanded an apology for this comment? Here is a translation of that quote:
“The pope said we kill people! He’s a liar! Kill him!”
In Christ,
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MugenOne
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I don’t think our Bible is corrupted. The Muslims claim that those texts were neglected or corrupted.
quote=sadie2723;1498204]So then…kill all the non-blelievers…right?
quote=sadie2723;1498204]So then…kill all the non-blelievers…right?
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StCsDavid
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I find that Isalm is to Judaism
What Mormanism is the Christianity.
There are some interesting similarities. Both Islam and Mormanism invented their own text. Both have their foundings in a mysterious, unverifiable prophet, and both believe that their salvation is within their will.
What Mormanism is the Christianity.
There are some interesting similarities. Both Islam and Mormanism invented their own text. Both have their foundings in a mysterious, unverifiable prophet, and both believe that their salvation is within their will.
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sadie2723
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Thanks for the clarification.
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jAlex
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I was not talking about immolation. It’s an abomination just as the muslim’s the practice of suicide bombing. The last is even a double abomination: they take their lives and the lives of others.
Their wrong doesn’t make muslims right.
Links please.
Last time I checked, the UN’s Security Council’s implemented ceasefire gave control to both India and Pakistan in this territory. So you cannot argue they are illegaly there.
Nope. Cause’ they didn’t get to the point where they fly planes into NY buildings like muslims did.
Alex.
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jAlex
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sadie,
What is to be done about it ?
How about muslims stop their “rage” for a little bit in order to make room for some reasoning and maybe re-evaluate what their religion is teaching in matters of violence? Because what is happening now is not isolated and it’s not a one-timer.
The muslims are making a mockery of themselves now; it is utterly ridiculous that the sligtest thing one has to do to get them on the streets is to simply draw a cartoon or cite the Pope out of context! How stupid is that!(forgive the harsh language).
What happened to the culture who once invented Algebra and contributed to science?
Because that’s what the Pope is trying to get them to do - to reason. I know this might sound weird to some of them but reasoning is a good think, believe it or not!
I bet all those who are yelling now read Pope’s comments twice before they took the streets isn’t it ?or maybe their reasoning cesed when they stumbled upon the emperor’s quotes ?
Alex.
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readsalot
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Hey Pro:
This is not a scholarly reference book I am writing, it is an informal forum. Where do you get off saying that? You are just trying to show your cleverness, and you come across as quite smug. BTW, I did reference a source earlier. And when people on this thread reference a source, you just rationalize it away anyway.
**SMUG: Exhibiting or feeling great or offensive satisfaction with oneself or with one’s situation; self-righteously complacent: “the smug look of a toad breakfasting on fat marsh flies” (William Pearson). **
SOURCE: dictionary.reference.com/search?q=smug
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