The Power of Modesty -- Why Dress Modestly?

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Sorry to you and to the OP if I went off topic to try to illustrate what I was saying.
Sorry that it’s not relevant to the video but I thought it was relevant to modesty in general.

I’m not defending people being selfish with their riches and I don’t agree with executives getting million dollar bonuses etc but that’s not what I’m referring to here.
I’m referring to simple economics that it is conducive to good economy that people do spend on more than what’s modest.
clclnn said:
Do you know how billionaires spend their money?
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I’m not referring to how they directly help others (which should be much much more!!).Im just referring to how it indirectly helps the economy.

I mentioned to Petra-
I thought Lazarus and the rich man-The rich mans “crime” was not that he was dressed immodestly in luxury etc (linen was flashy back in the day) but rather that he didn’t help his poor brother?

To stay on topic-isn’t there a difference between a person who wears fancy rings without being ostentatious/flashy/show off/arrogant etc vs someone who does?
Ie:is the immodesty in the item itself or in the hearts character?
 
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You joined CAF 30 minutes ago,and -no offense-have a bit aggressively in approach mentioning that is is off topic but my comment was in relation and responce to another comment first mentioning that modesty is more than just about skin but also about wearing things that don’t cause envy etc 🤷‍♀️
 
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Rozellelily said:
I thought Lazarus and the rich man-The rich mans “crime” was not that he was dressed immodestly in luxury etc (linen was flashy back in the day) but rather that he didn’t help his poor brother?
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I don’t think the reason for the rich man being tormented is actually specified, although I happen to agree with you.
 
I like that bulletin, it comes off a little more charitable (to me that is) and a nice little reminder/ motivator to dress modestly, thank you for sharing it!
 
Rozellelily said:
Doesn’t this come down to intent and character though?Ie:there could be two people in the same “luxury” outfit and one has this character and one doesn’t.
Is the one that doesn’t still immodest?
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You know, I have a friend who has one of these really expensive sports cars. He doesn’t cover himself with everything expensive to show off and he doesn’t own that car to show off. He would never in a million years think that someone ought to admire him because he’s fortunate enough to own that car. He just really appreciates cars. I think he’s a good person to be owning that particular car.

Owning a fine or expensive object isn’t automatically immodest or evidence of greed. Finely-made objects or artfully-arranged hair or lovely well-made clothing aren’t inherently immoral, not any more than exposed skin is inherently immoral. There are times and places and a proportion and a set of motives that are proper, that are in keeping with our true place within humankind and that are therefore humble. There are other ways of using these same things or of clothing ourselves or of speaking and acting or what have you that are not humble but are vain. We need to avoid vanity: not beauty, not excellence in objects, not acknowledgement that our bodies have skin all over them, but vanity.
 
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clclnn said:
Exposed skin is immoral. In public.
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I can let competitive swimmers show a lot of skin. There is a proportionate reason for it.
Claiming that all of one’s skin needs to be showing instead of covered with something lightweight when somebody isn’t swimming or sunbathing, because of the heat? That doesn’t cut it.
 
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Women should not be walking around on beaches wearing underwear or less (thong). That is wrong and a bad example.
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Do even Olympic swimmers wear thongs? No. It isn’t necessary for swimming or sunbathing.
 
Seen this video about a week ago. He make’s very valid points. Modesty is important for both men and women. It is an issue that is caused and affects both men and women
 
Isn’t a part of the problem Narcissism?
It seems to me like narcissism is on the rise and that is driving the “half bum cheek out” trend on the beaches.

I think modesty standards can vary culture to culture but all cultures would at least agree that it’s necessary to have boobs and bums (+front) fully covered.

Budgie Smugglers on men are part of the culture here but I don’t think they are modest at all!😉
 
Rozellelily said:
To stay on topic-isn’t there a difference between a person who wears fancy rings without being ostentatious/flashy/show off/arrogant etc vs someone who does?
Ie:is the immodesty in the item itself or in the hearts character?
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Probably starts in the heart …And reflects in the outside and then back to the heart and adjusting continues.
We tend to unity, we seek unity within and without and with our neighbour and with God. It is a lifetime endeavor.
Who am I? Where am I going?
It is like a continuous adjusting .Inside , outside.
When everybody around or where one lives is in dire economical conditions particularly, that reality gets into our hearts quite clearly,and so one tends not to want to be ostentatious , not to “ pretend” or act as if, but not to want to, because we realize very clearly it is hurtful.
When we can… we often don’t realize.
The measure is personal in the sense that it isn t imposed , but gently processed in the heart for a greater good. You are unique and you have a mission so you go discerning .
It is those attachments …
I agree with you with a previous post about the mass and what we wear. Discreet, clean and appropriate so that we blend in thanksgiving .
Sometimes just half the “ luxury “ we could afford , is a good start. Whatever luxury means for each of us.
That is how I see it.
Good that you can have these conversations with your parents, Rozellelily.
 
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Some women dress immodestly because they see it as empowering. They have a false notion that their self worth is derived from their sexuality.

Go to any Latin Mass and you will find most women wearing veils, why is this? It’s not because it’s sexist or oppressive, it’s about veiling and covering what is sacred. You will find the tabernacle veiled, the sacred chalice veiled, women veil because they are sacred - they bring forth life. What could be more empowering than embracing the beautiful gift God has given women?
 
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Go to any Latin Mass and you will find most women wearing veils, why is this? It’s not because it’s sexist or oppressive, it’s about veiling and covering what is sacred. You will find the tabernacle veiled, the sacred chalice veiled, women veil because they are sacred - they bring forth life. What could be more empowering than embracing the beautiful gift God has given women?
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Women don’t bring forth life on their own. I don’t think they are more sacred than men.
 
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They have a false notion that their self worth is derived from their sexuality.
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Yes and no. These women felt that their sexuality was always repressed by Puritans or viewed through the eyes of men, so they rebel by being over sexualised. Kind of like how oppressed Muslim women are throwing out their veils, yet women in secular areas are putting them on because they feel oppressed by sexuality instead.
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You will find the tabernacle veiled, the sacred chalice veiled, women veil because they are sacred - they bring forth life.
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Do you have any sources for this claim? I constantly see many people saying this but there’s no theological documents backing this up. The practice of veiling goes back to the Jews, perhaps even further (for practical use like keeping sand out), and even the Bible mentioned something about it showing that women are under men.
 
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So I’ve just watched the video. It more or less affirms why I don’t enjoy men talking about modesty. Many rarely understand the issue here, or they keep focusing on modesty through their male perspective (aka, don’t make me lust, wear something i personally think is beautiful, though).

Also, the part on pants was weird. I don’t really get the ‘need’ for women to dress stereotypically feminine (dresses and skirts only). Pants are fine.

The vulnerability part is odd, i wonder who gave him such ideas. I feel more vulnerable in a skirt than in skinny jeans, because of how easy it is for perverts to “gain access”.
 
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