The pro-life common sense clincher

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Sure, I’ve posted before but here goes:
I believe personhood begins at implantation, and that abortion should be permitted in cases of rape/incest, serious risk to the mother’s life, and foetal abnormalities incompatible with any reasonable life span.
 
_flower_luv;6362821]Hi Doc Keele, ya have to admit Charlemagne has a point. 🙂 I can personally testify to asking pro-choicers questions that deserve a straight answer…and how many times have they beat around the bush? Every time. And I will tell you why: because they know they cannot give a straight answer. Or an answer that makes any sense!
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Come on flower, plenty of posts have been provided. You do not have to agree with it----it is a free country. 🙂
 
Charlemagne II;6362826]Worthy5
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*What do you think Judges do? They make judgments. You do not have to agree with it but the Court has the authority. *
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And after WWII some of the Nazi judges went to prison for their judgments.
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In spite of your pretensions to being opposed to the police power of the state, you seem quite content that the state throught the Supreme Court has exercised the police power of the state by granting execution rights to mothers and abortionists. Or do you want to argue that the baby in the womb is not human and therefore has no rights.
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The framers of the Constitution never imagined that the killing the unborn by the millions would ever be an important public issue. They certainly did not give any permission to the courts or the legislatures or the executive to use the police power of the state to kill the unborn.
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Yet you have not presented a single argument in the fifty pages of this thread other than to cite Blackmun. Even Dr. Nathanson, a former abortionist, has shown the lies behind Blackmun’s reasoning, not to mention that lack of common sense, in his documentary “The Eclipse of Reason.”
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Why do you not see the police power of the state being used to allow abortion and then to defend by law the right of butchers to kill?
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Seems to me a very selective and odd slant on the use of police power that it should be used to kill the innocent
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Thanks for the discussion Charlemagne. God Bless, and let us keep all those in need in our prayers. :highprayer:
 
Doc_Keele said:
Sure, I’ve posted before but here goes:
I believe personhood begins at implantation, and that abortion should be permitted in cases of rape/incest, serious risk to the mother’s life, and foetal abnormalities incompatible with any reasonable life span.
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Thank you. 🙂 Now I can respond to you with your personal beliefs in mind. On topic with the thread, do you think anyone will have a “pro-life clincher” for you? That is, make it known to you that abortion is murder and intrinsically evil in the eyes of God who alone has the right to give and take?
 
Worthy5 said:
Come on flower, plenty of posts have been provided. You do not have to agree with it----it is a free country. 🙂
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Hi Worthy! 🙂 No posts that are truthful. There is nothing good about killing your own flesh and blood - or even allowing the choice to take life. The world we live in is corrupt. Abortion is legal only because we have chosen to take life and death into our own hands…and rely on ourselves rather than the hands of God. All I can say is He and His Truth will triumph in the end…just because His Truth has suffered, does not mean it will die. And just because Abortion and BC are available does not mean they are right.

God Bless you!
 
=lil_flower_luv;6363132]Hi Worthy! 🙂 No posts that are truthful. There is nothing good about killing your own flesh and blood - or even allowing the choice to take life. The world we live in is corrupt. Abortion is legal only because we have chosen to take life and death into our own hands…and rely on ourselves rather than the hands of God. All I can say is He and His Truth will triumph in the end…just because His Truth has suffered, does not mean it will die. And just because Abortion and BC are available does not mean they are right.
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Yes Flower, said well----but what does that have to do with the limited powers of a civil government?
 
Worthy5

*Yes Flower, said well----but what does that have to do with the limited powers of a civil government? *

Good question.

And do you call it “limited powers of a civil government” when that government gives doctors the right to kill babies in the womb? 50 million babies since Roe v Wade. Doesn’t sound very limited to me.
 
Doc Keele

I believe personhood begins at implantation, and that abortion should be permitted in cases of rape/incest,…

So you believe the person (your word) in the womb should be executed for someone else’s crime?
 
Charlemagne II;6363642]Worthy5
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*Yes Flower, said well----but what does that have to do with the limited powers of a civil government? *
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Good question.
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And do you call it “limited powers of a civil government” when that government gives doctors the right to kill babies in the womb? 50 million babies since Roe v Wade. Doesn’t sound very limited to me
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With all due respect Charles we have been through this. :rolleyes:
 
Worthy5

With all due respect Charles we have been through this.

Then why do you keep coming back to it? 😉
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Doc Keele

I believe personhood begins at implantation, and that abortion should be permitted in cases of rape/incest,…

So you believe the person (your word) in the womb should be executed for someone else’s crime?
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No, I didn’t say I believe they should, Charlemagne. And try not to resort to these rather inaccurate paraphrases.

BTW you haven’t told me if you’ve stopped beating your wife?
 
lil_flower_luv said:
Thank you. 🙂 Now I can respond to you with your personal beliefs in mind. On topic with the thread, do you think anyone will have a “pro-life clincher” for you? That is, make it known to you that abortion is murder and intrinsically evil in the eyes of God who alone has the right to give and take?
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OK, so do you realise I am against abortion?:confused:

As for the “pro-life” clincher, which by the definition of clincher being used here would be not just for me but for everyone, considering that philosophers haven’t been able to come up with one after years of formal argument by trained minds, I doubt one is going to arise out of this debate by mostly untrained minds.
 
Doc Keele

*BTW you haven’t told me if you’ve stopped beating your wife? *

I have stopped beating her. But now she’s beating me! :eek:
 
Doc_Keele said:
Sure, I’ve posted before but here goes:
I believe personhood begins at implantation, and that abortion should be permitted in cases of rape/incest, serious risk to the mother’s life, and foetal abnormalities incompatible with any reasonable life span.
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So how do we define “serious risk”?
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OK, so do you realise I am against abortion?:confused:

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Let’s be accurate: “against *most *abortions”, no?
 
Doc Keele

You see the problem with giving a straight answer to a complex question now?

But I gave an answer. Now go thou and do likewise. 😉

Is it common sense for us to kill our children?
 
No, you gave a joke answer. So I will do likewise.
It depends on how badly they misbehave;)
 
Doc Keele

It depends on how badly they misbehave

How do you misbehave in the womb? 😃
 
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