The pro-life common sense clincher

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bpuharic

Meaningless generalization and scare tactics do not make an argument. We have the most expensive, least efficient healthcare system in the world right now. Thousands die for lack of access. Yet prolifers just don’t care. All they care about is women and sex.

Common sense: we do not kill our children. We care about them, even if you don’t.
 
bpuharic

… We have the most expensive, least efficient healthcare system in the world right now. Thousands die for lack of access.

Not true. We have the best system in the world. When foreign leaders get seriously ill, they come to the United States, not Canada, for treatment.

What you fail to see is that where the sytem falls short it could be fixed without the radical surgery of the government taking over health care. Have you ever seen the government successful at anything except waging war … and right now waging war against the Constitution!

Never mind waging war against the unborn in Roe v Wade. :eek::eek::eek:
 
Charlemagne_II said:
bpuharic

Meaningless generalization and scare tactics do not make an argument. We have the most expensive, least efficient healthcare system in the world right now. Thousands die for lack of access. Yet prolifers just don’t care. All they care about is women and sex.

Common sense: we do not kill our children. We care about them, even if you don’t.
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More self aggrandizing nonsense. There’s not a SINGLE mention of infant mortality in your post. You refuse to address it. Why? because you don’t care about children. You obsess over women and sex. That’s what abortion is about.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
bpuharic

… We have the most expensive, least efficient healthcare system in the world right now. Thousands die for lack of access.

Not true. We have the best system in the world. When foreign leaders get seriously ill, they come to the United States, not Canada, for treatment.

Really? Proof? We spend 16% of GDP on healthcare. No other country does that. Life expectancy in Germany, France, the UK, Japan…all exceed ours. And, again, our infant mortality is twice that of other countries. You prolifers just ignore what’s inconvenient.

What you fail to see is that where the sytem falls short it could be fixed without the radical surgery of the government taking over health care.

Again, give me proof, not platitudes. France, the UK, Canada…all have govt healthcare. All are less expensive than ours. All cover their entire population. The fact is, the free market has failed on healthcare.

Have you ever seen the government successful at anything except waging war … and right now waging war against the Constitution!

More cliches. More platitudes. More nonsense.
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bpuharic said:
Yeah, good luck with that. NFP is a stupid idea promoted for the idiotic reason that some ‘God’ wants people to have sex for his arbitrary purposes…whatever they are.
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My my. Such an attitude.

There are a lot of people alive today because of NFP (my son included). NFP is not a stupid idea. I learned about it when I wasn’t even a practicing Catholic. It was taught to me by a physician. Within two months of using NFP I was pregnant.

It’s very useful for when one wants to become pregnant and has been in use for well over two decades (my son is almost 27).

Holy Mother, please keep
all unborn children safe today.
 
bpuharic

*More self aggrandizing nonsense. There’s not a SINGLE mention of infant mortality in your post. You refuse to address it. Why? because you don’t care about children. You obsess over women and sex. That’s what abortion is about. *

This is mighty strange nonsense coming from someone who lightly dismisses the infant mortality rate in the womb of over one million children a year.

What you can’t quite seem to get is that those babies in the womb are just as human as you and I. But I don’t hear a word from you in their defense. All you can obsess about is defending the right of a mother to kill her child with the help of a hired assasin’s knife. :eek:

Then you want to change the subject to born children. Why on earth would I not be as concerned about them if I am concerned about them before they were born?

The Catholic Church has always been in the business of hospitals where infants are born, and orphanages where they may go if they have lost their parents. The Catholic Church has also been in the business of helping mothers who are struggling to raise children. And most of all, the Catholic Church has been in the business of consoling mothers who later grieved the loss of the child they had killed and had to struggle with their guilt.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Vatican Roulette? What’s the chances of getting the wider population to practice that successfully?

Undisciplined sex has produced a nation suffering from sexual diseases as it has never suffered before. What are the chances of getting the wider population to give up promiscuous sex? That doesn’t mean there isn’t a way to do it and we shouldn’t give it a try. Yes, I think you are right. It’s all about control … self control!!! 😉

No one has ever bothered in the wider population to consider that the rhythm method is a wise antidote to promiscupus abortion. Wonder why? It would sure put a dent in the profits of Planned Parenthood and their thousands of abortion clinics.
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Just to clarify, you do mean NFP don’t you, not rhythm method?

Holy Mother, please keep
all unborn children safe today.
 
berrywi said:
I’m simply amazed that more people haven’t jumped on a common pro-life thread.

Let’s temporarily ignore church teaching for just a second …

…and in the age of such wonderful TV shows such as Forensic Files and the like, consider how some criminals are being caught, or innocents vindicated…through their DNA! The bad guys spill it all over the crime scene, and the good guys don’t have any of theirs there.

Now, where does that DNA come from?

Well, waaaaay back in Public High School Biology, I was given some information that it came from the mommy and the daddy. …

Wait … who was that second person? Well, let’s ignore him also for a second.

When does this happen? Well, some magical “DNA fairy” sprinkles the kid with this
substance as they are born, right? At least that’s what some “pro choice” folks would want you to believe.

Well, I don’t. I was told in that very same class, that this DNA came from the moment the kid was conceived. So it is a living, unique organism. There’s nobody else like him or her, with the remote possibility of identical twins. It really isn’t much of an extension to realize that if you murder the kid inside mommy, it isn’t that much different than murdering the kid outside mommy.

Guess what? Last time I checked, the church has been telling us the same thing!

Bill Berry
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Great post, Bill! 👍
 
Guys? Everyone?

I’ve been trying to follow the last part of this thread with very little success. Could we all please use the function so that we all knew who said what?

Thank you. 🙂
 
The Pro-choicers have NO leg to stand on. The only thing they have is their self-centered idiocy. So since idiocy is the only thing that drives their arguments, logic and reason are totally ineffective. Pro-choicers are pro-choicers because of their inate selfish natures and their very weak minds which are easily manipulated by catchy slogans and clever word-smithing.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
bpuharic

*More self aggrandizing nonsense. There’s not a SINGLE mention of infant mortality in your post. You refuse to address it. Why? because you don’t care about children. You obsess over women and sex. That’s what abortion is about. *

This is mighty strange nonsense coming from someone who lightly dismisses the infant mortality rate in the womb of over one million children a year.

Fine. You’re telling me life doesn’t matter when it’s born. I’m telling you it doesn’t matter when it’s genetic snot.

Then you want to change the subject to born children. Why on earth would I not be as concerned about them if I am concerned about them before they were born?

I see no sign of concern about babies who are born from prolifers. None. I see lies about healthcare.

The Catholic Church has always been in the business of hospitals where infants are born, and orphanages where they may go if they have lost their parents. The Catholic Church has also been in the business of helping mothers who are struggling to raise children. And most of all, the Catholic Church has been in the business of consoling mothers who later grieved the loss of the child they had killed and had to struggle with their guilt.
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I’ve been a volunteer guard at abortion clinics and I’ve helped women get abortions. I’ve never seen ONE regret her choice, nor does the data support your contention. Again, you have platitudes. You have no evidence.
 
Canto said:
Under no circumstances does the Church support abortion.

Sometimes as to wether or not a mother’s life is in danger, there can be a differing of medical opinion ???
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The Church regards abortion as a grave sin and imposes the punishment of excommunication on one who procures an abortion or aids/compels another to do so. But the Church does not regard as sin a medical procedure undertaken to save a mother’s life if that procedure inadvertantly causes the death of the child. For example, if the mother is diagonsed with an ectopic pregnancy and it is necessary to remove the fallopian tube to save the mother’s life, then the death of the child is not directly intended and there is no sin.

It is important to understand that the death of the child in this case is still evil, but it is indirectly intended. For this to occur, four conditions must be present:

•That we do not wish the evil effects, but make all reasonable efforts to avoid them;
•That the immediate effect be good in itself;
•That the evil is not made a means to obtain the good effect; for this would be to do evil that good might come of it — a procedure never allowed;
•That the good effect be as important at least as the evil effect.
 
bpuharic said:
I’ve been a volunteer guard at abortion clinics and I’ve helped women get abortions. I’ve never seen ONE regret her choice, nor does the data support your contention. Again, you have platitudes. You have no evidence.
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Would you expect those mothers come back to you, a security guard at an abortion clinic, six months later and tell you that they regretted their abortion? Your argument is unconvincing.

The evidence is there, and the statistics too if you take the time to look for them. But for pro-abortion people it’s easier to ignore something that might take the wind out of their sails. I would direct you to www.silentnomoreawareness.org , if you have the courage to investigate what you know so little about.
 
pjbshark said:
Would you expect those mothers come back to you, a security guard at an abortion clinic, six months later and tell you that they regretted their abortion? Your argument is unconvincing.

Yes, I would. Because I have talked to them. And, again, the data does not support you. Where’s your statistical data showing that women suffer from abortions?

The evidence is there, and the statistics too if you take the time to look for them.

Hmmmm…so you say. Go ahead. Find them for me, OK? From an objective website, not some prolife propaganda center. When you DO, I’ll admit you’re right. Until then, you’re blowing smoke

But for pro-abortion people it’s easier to ignore something that might take the wind out of their sails. I would direct you to [

Gee. Imagine my surprise. Another circular argument. You’re right because you say you’re right. And you have a prolife website to prove it. Golly. Who could have guessed?](http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org)
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I’ve been a volunteer guard at abortion clinics and I’ve helped women get abortions. I’ve never seen ONE regret her choice, nor does the data support your contention. Again, you have platitudes. You have no evidence.

One thing you do have statistics for, and that is the number of women who go in to kill their children. Since you protect the abortionists, the hired killers, it wouldn’t matter what statistics you were shown.

So what are you doing in this forum … trying to justify yourself by condemning us? :rolleyes:
 
Charlemagne_II said:
I’ve been a volunteer guard at abortion clinics and I’ve helped women get abortions. I’ve never seen ONE regret her choice, nor does the data support your contention. Again, you have platitudes. You have no evidence.

One thing you do have statistics for, and that is the number of women who go in to kill their children. Since you protect the abortionists, the hired killers, it wouldn’t matter what statistics you were shown.

So what are you doing in this forum … trying to justify yourself by condemning us? :rolleyes:
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You say you’re prolife? Where? I certainly see no signs of it. I see LOTS of obsession over women and sex. I see NO sign of being prolife
 
*You say you’re prolife? Where? I certainly see no signs of it. I see LOTS of obsession over women and sex. I see NO sign of being prolife *

Obviously you haven’t bothered to read the nearly 1,000 posts that we have placed here.

so would you mind telling me how you know what you’re talking about?

Or are you going to continue evading questions? 😉
 
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