The Problem of Hell

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momor said:
I think you forgot about HPV, herpes and HIV. All incurable and by no means minor.
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And avoidable with the application of a bit of common savvy. Most HPV’s don’t even produce symptoms in the majority of people…
 
Seeker2010 said:
While not absolutely impossible, the incidents of females contracting HIV while having protected sex is extraordinarily rare. There is a reason AIDS is a scourge in the gay community and in Africa, and that is because it’s most common method of transmission is unprotected anal sex. In the gay community, well, that’s how they roll, and in Africa they use anal sex as birth control since the church has them convinced condoms are the root of all evil.
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I’m curious. I gave two scenarios. Why did you pick this one to speak to?
 
momor said:
Unless you happen to have a cervix, then it can cost you your life.
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Only if you’re very unlucky… As it happens, in the UK there’s a vaccine available that can prevent that. I dare say you’ll consider that immoral?
 
momor said:
I think you forgot about HPV, herpes and HIV. All incurable and by no means minor.
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HPV: Affects women only, though men can be carriers. 98% of infections go away on their own, having never caused a single symptom. There is now a vaccine available for it.

Herpes: Two varieties, HSV-1, and HSV-2.

It is said if you live long enough, you will get an HSV-1 infection, I myself have had it since I was a child. Symptoms are called ‘cold sores’ and, in my case anyway, have decreased with age. I’m 40 and haven’t had one in about 3 years. Incurable, but medically insignificant, may be spread sexually but usually spread by casual contact. Typically, but not universally effects the mouth and lips.

HSV-2 on the other hand, typically, but not universally infects the genitals. Roughly 80% of people who are infected with HSV-2 don’t know it because they either never had symptoms, or their symptoms were so mild and brief as to not cause concern. It is said that as many as 40% of us in the USA are infected whether we realize it or not. In extremely rare cases severe breakouts can occur because of it, but there are usually exacerbating factors when that happens.

Both are considered nothing more than nuisance by the medical community, and won’t be tested for in a normal STD screening unless specifically requested.

AIDS: Yes, the one big STD killer left. However, condoms are extremely effective in preventing it’s spread. The overwhelming number of new infections are either due to unprotected anal intercourse (which causes ripping and bleeding, and AIDS is really spread more through blood-to-blood contact than as thought of with a traditional ‘Sexual’ disease) or due to shared needles. Why shared needles is still spreading this disease in 2010 is beyond my comprehension.

The US AIDS infection rate is about 0.6%. Some other notable countries include Zimbabwe, at 24.06%, France @ 0.2%, the UK @ 0.2%, Italy at 0.15%, and Germany at 0.09%. The Zimbabwe figure firmly illustrates that the churches position on condoms in Africa is KILLING PEOPLE, and the lower rates in countries generally thought of less conservative and more sexually promiscuous than the US tell us it’s not just about preventing sex from occurring.

PS… Not in any way am I a medical professional and this is not medical advice. Merely the fruits of my personal research on the topics at hand.
 
momor said:
I’m curious. I gave two scenarios. Why did you pick this one to speak to?
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I addressed the unwanted pregnancy issue elsewhere, to do so again would have been redundant. I did want to point out the fact that your other example, while not impossible, is extremely, extremely rare.
 
Seeker2010 said:
HPV: Affects women only, though men can be carriers. 98% of infections go away on their own, having never caused a single symptom. There is now a vaccine available for it.

Herpes: Two varieties, HSV-1, and HSV-2.

It is said if you live long enough, you will get an HSV-1 infection, I myself have had it since I was a child. Symptoms are called ‘cold sores’ and, in my case anyway, have decreased with age. I’m 40 and haven’t had one in about 3 years. Incurable, but medically insignificant, may be spread sexually but usually spread by casual contact. Typically, but not universally effects the mouth and lips.

HSV-2 on the other hand, typically, but not universally infects the genitals. Roughly 80% of people who are infected with HSV-2 don’t know it because they either never had symptoms, or their symptoms were so mild and brief as to not cause concern. It is said that as many as 40% of us in the USA are infected whether we realize it or not. In extremely rare cases severe breakouts can occur because of it, but there are usually exacerbating factors when that happens.

Both are considered nothing more than nuisance by the medical community, and won’t be tested for in a normal STD screening unless specifically requested.

AIDS: Yes, the one big STD killer left. However, condoms are extremely effective in preventing it’s spread. The overwhelming number of new infections are either due to unprotected anal intercourse (which causes ripping and bleeding, and AIDS is really spread more through blood-to-blood contact than as thought of with a traditional ‘Sexual’ disease) or due to shared needles. Why shared needles is still spreading this disease in 2010 is beyond my comprehension.

The US AIDS infection rate is about 0.6%. Some other notable countries include Zimbabwe, at 24.06%, France @ 0.2%, the UK @ 0.2%, Italy at 0.15%, and Germany at 0.09%. The Zimbabwe figure firmly illustrates that the churches position on condoms in Africa is KILLING PEOPLE, and the lower rates in countries generally thought of less conservative and more sexually promiscuous than the US tell us it’s not just about preventing sex from occurring.

PS… Not in any way am I a medical professional and this is not medical advice. Merely the fruits of my personal research on the topics at hand.
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That’s obvious.
I am and your attempt to minimize the impact of STDs and HIV/AIDS would be laughable if it weren’t so dangerous. I especially like your point that HPV affects only women. Good job 👍
 
momor said:
That’s obvious.
I am and your attempt to minimize the impact of STDs and HIV/AIDS would be laughable if it weren’t so dangerous. I especially like your point that HPV affects only women. Good job 👍
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You are?

That does scare me. No medical professional should ever base his views on how a patient should be cared for around foisting his personal version of morality on others.

Your assertion that HPV is untreatable, for one thing, is totally untrue.
 
Seeker2010 said:
I addressed the unwanted pregnancy issue elsewhere, to do so again would have been redundant. I did want to point out the fact that your other example, while not impossible, is extremely, extremely rare.
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Hmmm. Perhaps. Or maybe it was because it is a COMMON scenario not as easily minimized or borne only by women.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
You are?

That does scare me. No medical professional should ever base his views on how a patient should be cared for around foisting his personal version of morality on others.

Your assertion that HPV is untreatable, for one thing, is totally untrue.
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You presume way too much to malign my professional behavior and imply I do anything wrong. You know nothing about it.

I did not say HPV was untreatable, I said it was incurable.
 
momor said:
That’s obvious.
I am and your attempt to minimize the impact of STDs and HIV/AIDS would be laughable if it weren’t so dangerous. I especially like your point that HPV affects only women. Good job 👍
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If I’ve stated a single point that is medically inaccurate, by all means do point it out. I DO live a sexually promiscuous lifestyle, and realizing that neither I nor my wife actually WANT a STD, we’ve done extensive research on the topic, some of which I’ve relayed here. If I’m wrong, I want to know it.

We’ve assessed the risks, and even though they are not zero, we have concluded that they are acceptably close to zero as to take our chances.

On the other hand, there are only two ways to bring your risk of an STD down to absolute zero. Never have sex, or only have sex with someone who has been quarantined since blood work was drawn, shown to be negative, and then keeping that person under constant life long surveillance (to assure absolutely they never touch another person) and to only have sex with them subsequent to their testing and surveillance commencement.

ANY OTHER METHOD, including what you believe is lifetime monogamy between people who lost their virginity to each other carries a risk greater than zero. Maybe not much greater, but going back to my comment above…

BTW, you can do all of the above and still contract HSV-1, possibly HSV-2, and HIV.
 
momor said:
Hmmm. Perhaps. Or maybe it was because it is a COMMON scenario not as easily minimized or borne only by women.
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Or maybe because overlapping methods of contraception, say by using condoms, and the pill, and withdrawal, it drops unwanted pregnancies down to 1 in 10,000. Or less?
 
momor said:
You presume way too much to malign my professional behavior and imply I do anything wrong. You know nothing about it.

I did not say HPV was untreatable, I said it was incurable.
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In most cases it is cured by the immune system within two years of infection.

And yes, even in women, who as a medical professional you will be aware have a stronger immune system than men.
 
momor said:
My part in this irresponsible discussion has come to an end.
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You are free to withdraw from the discussion at your discretion, I would note for the record you did not question even a single of the facts that I listed, merely deriding my disclaimer and moving on.

I will therefore conclude unless you say otherwise, that you have found my information to be sound and accurate.

Graci,
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