The Problem with Protestant Ecclesiology

[Barelohim]

The beautiful verification of scripture available to the Christians, filled with, and in fellowship with the Spirit of Christ, is their ability to commune with the very Spirit who had the scriptures written. All Spirit indwelt Christians can ask the Lord Jesus what He meant, by what He had written.

No other religion has this ability. Mohammed is dead, Buddah is dead, Confuscious is dead, Joseph Smilt is dead, etc, etc, etc. These have their writings, but can’t verify what was meant, by what was written. Jesus the Christ is the only One who was dead, and has been made alive, and is not only the author, but interpreter of what He had written.

Why believers are to Know HIs Voice, and take council from Him, being led by His Spirit in them. Why believers did well even before the written letters were formed. Because the Spirit was given, to lead into TRUTH HIMSELF. 1 Cor. 2.

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[CopticChristian]

The beautiful verification of scripture available to the Christians, filled with, and in fellowship with the Spirit of Christ, is their ability to commune with the very Spirit who had the scriptures written. **All Spirit indwelt Christians can ask the Lord Jesus what He meant, by what He had written. **No other religion has this ability. Mohammed is dead, Buddah is dead, Confuscious is dead, Joseph Smilt is dead, etc, etc, etc. These have their writings, but can’t verify what was meant, by what was written. Jesus the Christ is the only One who was dead, and has been made alive, and is not only the author, but interpreter of what He had written.

Why believers are to Know HIs Voice, and take council from Him, being led by His Spirit in them. Why believers did well even before the written letters were formed. Because the Spirit was given, to lead into TRUTH HIMSELF. 1 Cor. 2.

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Bar,

Which books did Jesus write?

 

[Barelohim]

Genesis to Revelations. Were all inspired by the Spirit, guiding the hand of man as what to write. 2Timothy 3:16 [1] Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for [2] instruction which is in righteousness.*n3
17 That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.

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[Barelohim]

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: **the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. **

1 Corinthains 2: 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in** demonstration of the Spirit and of power:**
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect Mature]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man,** the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.**
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12** Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.**
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual words with spiritual thoughts.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,** because they are spiritually discerned.**
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Notice this. 1 Peter 1: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

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[CopticChristian]

Genesis to Revelations. Were all inspired by the Spirit, guiding the hand of man as what to write. 2Timothy 3:16 [1] Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for [2] instruction which is in righteousness.*n3
17 That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.

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Bare,

The world was created by Him for Him the Son. The Son said He would send another Paraclete, the Holy Spirit…and the word was written under the guidance of the Spirit. He said that the Spirit would remind you of all He said to be true, not what He wrote.

While you quote Timothy, Paul says Scripture is profitable, but not only Scripture is profitable…and if you look at what Paul says before what you quote…

14You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, **knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood **you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.[1] Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for [2] instruction which is in righteousness.*n3
17 That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.

The Scripture that Timothy learned from childhood was the Old Testament…so this passage you quote says nothing of the New Testament. How do you know that the New Testament is Scripture? How do you validate Mark and Hebrews? How do you know that this is Scripture or that the books in the New Testament are Scripture? Who put this together? The table of Contents is not inspired is it?

 

[Barelohim]

Bare,

The world was created by Him for Him the Son. The Son said He would send another Paraclete, the Holy Spirit…and the word was written under the guidance of the Spirit. He said that the Spirit would remind you of all He said to be true, not what He wrote.

…of all He said…! How would one know what He said, save that which was written

While you quote Timothy, Paul says Scripture is profitable, but not only Scripture is profitable…and if you look at what Paul says before what you quote…

The Scripture that Timothy learned from childhood was the Old Testament…so this passage you quote says nothing of the New Testament. How do you know that the New Testament is Scripture? How do you validate Mark and Hebrews? How do you know that this is Scripture or that the books in the New Testament are Scripture? Who put this together? The table of Contents is not inspired is it?

And Jesus also. He knew the Old testament, and refuted the teachings of the Pharisees with their own scripture. For as He said, the old testament spoke of Him. And still speaks of Him still… 1

Uh the comment about the table of contents I would not expect from any Christian.

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[Barelohim]

Ephesians 4: 21 *Surely you have listened to him and have been taught by him, since truth is in Jesus.x20
22 Regarding your former way of life, you were taught*n8 to strip off your old man, which is being ruined by its deceptive desires,*x21
23 to be renewed in the spirit of your minds,x22
24 and to clothe yourselves with the new man, which was created according to the likeness ofn9 God in righteousness and true holiness.*x23

1 Jphn 2: 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27** But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.**

what say Coptic?

 

[CopticChristian]

And Jesus also. He knew the Old testament, and refuted the teachings of the Pharisees with** their own scripture**. For as He said, the old testament spoke of Him. And still speaks of Him still… 1

Uh the comment about the table of contents I would not expect from any Christian.

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Bar,

How can it be their own Scripture when you say Jesus wrote it?

 

[CopticChristian]

Ephesians 4: 21 *Surely you have listened to him and have been taught by him, since truth is in Jesus.x20
22 Regarding your former way of life, you were taught*n8 to strip off your old man, which is being ruined by its deceptive desires,*x21
23 to be renewed in the spirit of your minds,x22
24 and to clothe yourselves with the new man, which was created according to the likeness ofn9 God in righteousness and true holiness.*x23

1 Jphn 2: 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27** But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.**

what say Coptic?

Bare,

I say Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na…ya gotta know how to pony…likea bony maroney…you gotta do the monkey…

I have no clue what point you are making…taking Ephesians and John out of context…

What do you think the Pillar and Foundation of Truth is?

Where do you think it is made known the manifold wisdom of God?

What do you think is the mystery hidden for all ages?

Now answer those questions and I will stop singing…

 

[Barelohim]

Bar,

How can it be their own Scripture when you say Jesus wrote it?

The scriptures they had, of course was the Old testament. Which the Spirit caused to be written. Which Jesus used to illustrate the point that they had the inspired scriptures, but didn’t have the Spirit to understand, which Jesus was pointing to in Matt. 6.

Let’s be clear. I didn’t say Jesus wrote the scriptures, nor meant to imply that Jesus personally wrote the scriptures. But Jesus, by His Spirit, caused the hand of man to write, what is written.

But since you seem to focus in on words, rather than what is being implied. I see no future in trying to open them up to you, as Jesus found the same condition in many of those He was trying to relate to.

Bar.

 

[CopticChristian]

The scriptures they had, of course was the Old testament. Which the Spirit caused to be written. Which Jesus used to illustrate the point that they had the inspired scriptures, but didn’t have the Spirit to understand, which Jesus was pointing to in Matt. 6.

Let’s be clear. I didn’t say Jesus wrote the scriptures, nor meant to imply that Jesus personally wrote the scriptures. But Jesus, by His Spirit, caused the hand of man to write, what is written.

But since you seem to focus in on words, rather than what is being implied. I see no future in trying to open them up to you, as Jesus found the same condition in many of those He was trying to relate to.

Bar.

Bar,

You are trying to open the Scriptures up to me? This means you are proselytizing. This is forbidden on this site. I asked you some simple questions and you did not answer them. Are you not able to answer 3 simple questions?

 

[Barelohim]

I have no clue what point you are making…taking Ephesians and John out of context…

What do you think the Pillar and Foundation of Truth is?

Where do you think it is made known the manifold wisdom of God?

What do you think is the mystery hidden for all ages?

Now answer those questions and I will stop singing…

By His Spirit. By His Spirit. By His Spirit. By His Spirit. By His Spirit. By His Spirit.
By the revelation of the Spirit. By the revelation of the Spirit. By the revelation of the Spirit.
By the same way that Jesus was revealed to be truly the Son of God to Peter. By revelation from the Spirit. The same way with Paul. By revelation. This is the rock by which God builds His church. By revelation by His Spirit…

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; **
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit**.

1 Corinthians 3: 10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11** For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ**

The mystery, is that the secrets are now made known to the church, through the revelation of God through Jesus Christ by His Spirit.
Ephesians 3: 1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

1 Cor. 2: 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

dance sir, but you dance alone.

Bar.

 

[Barelohim]

Bar,

You are trying to open the Scriptures up to me? This means you are proselytizing. This is forbidden on this site. I asked you some simple questions and you did not answer them. Are you not able to answer 3 simple questions?

May I ask you a question Paul asked of Johns disciples?

Acts 19: 1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.

You mention proselytizing you. Why would I. I am neither Catholic, nor Protestant. But of the third kind.

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[CopticChristian]

May I ask you a question Paul asked of Johns disciples?

Acts 19: 1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.

You mention proselytizing you. Why would I. I am neither Catholic, nor Protestant. But of the third kind.

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Bar,

I was baptized correctly and recieved the Holy Spirit and the gifts of Faith, Hope and Charity…as did you if you were baptized in the trinitarian formula…now concerning the mystery in Ephesians Paul says this…

8To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ, 9and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things; 10so **that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church **to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places.

It is through the Church that the manifold wisdom of God is known and it is the mystery hidden for all ages, through which Gentiles are made fellow heirs with Christ…people like you and me…

But what is the Pillar and foundation of Truth? or do you not know that…if you have the Spirit and speak in tongues, though I speak as well or better than most, it would be better that you prophesy…for tongues is for the believer and prophesy the unbeliever…better that you prophesy…so prophesy for us and tell me what is the Pillar and foundation of truth…so that those reading along can know…ok…

You are freaking me out though…the third kind?

All I can think of is close encounters of the third kind with Richard Dreyfus…have you had contact with aliens or somethin?

 

[Barelohim]

Bar,

I was baptized correctly and recieved the Holy Spirit and the gifts of Faith, Hope and Charity…as did you if you were baptized in the trinitarian formula…now concerning the mystery in Ephesians Paul says this…

*Before you get to the mystery. I was referring as Paul did to these gifts. Since water baptisim is, as Paul stated, a baptisim of repentance.
1 Cor. 12; 1 Now concerning spiritual gifts , brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that when ye were Gentiles ye were led away unto those dumb idols, howsoever ye might led.
3 Wherefore I make known unto you, that no man speaking in the Spirit of God saith, Jesus is anathema; and no man can say, Jesus is Lord, but in the Holy Spirit.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of workings, but the same God, who worketh all things in all.
7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit to profit withal.
8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom; and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit:
9 to another faith, in the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, in the one Spirit;
10 and to another workings of [1] miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues: n1
11 but all these worketh the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each one severally even as he will.

It is through the Church that the manifold wisdom of God is known and it is the mystery hidden for all ages, through which Gentiles are made fellow heirs with Christ…people like you and me…

**And the church that Paul speaks of is the members of the Body of Christ, not a denomination. Yes? Did you also notice that your quote from Eph. said this. that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places. **. This is to be made know to whom, and where?

But what is the Pillar and foundation of Truth? or do you not know that…if you have the Spirit and speak in tongues, though I speak as well or better than most, it would be better that you prophesy…for tongues is for the believer and prophesy the unbeliever…better that you prophesy…so prophesy for us and tell me what is the Pillar and foundation of truth…so that those reading along can know…ok…

*Didn’t Paul point out that prophesy is for the assembly of the saints? This sure isn’t that arena. Tongues are both personal , and for the assembly, if you’ve read Romans 8, and 1 Cor. 14 correctly **

You are freaking me out though…the third kind?

All I can think of is close encounters of the third kind with Richard Dreyfus…have you had contact with aliens or somethin?

Since when is Christianity a religious order? Either Catholic, or Protestant? Christianity is a living, and abiding, intimate relationship, and fellowship with the living Christ by the Spirit. Through which these beleivers are progressively transformed, conformed, moulded and shaped into the image of Jesus Christ.
Eph. 4:11 And he gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 for the perfecting of the saints, unto the work of ministering, unto the building up of the body of Christ:
13 till we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a fullgrown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

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[CopticChristian]

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Bar,

When you put a response within the quotes it makes it difficult for others to follow.

So what is the Pillar and foundation of Truth?

 

[Barelohim]

And when you post more than one question at a time, it is harder to answer, without addressing each question. Do you not agree?

1 Tim. 3: 15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Is this what your looking for?

Bar.

 

[CopticChristian]

And when you post more than one question at a time, it is harder to answer, without addressing each question. Do you not agree?

1 Tim. 3: 15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Is this what your looking for?

Bar.

Bare,

Wow! You caught me with ma pants beneath me knees. You know, I never ask a question that I do not know the answer to unless of course I don’t know the answer to the question that I ask.

I found it long ago. I wasn’t looking for it. Do you believe that the word of God, inspired and infallible speaks the truth?

 

[Barelohim]

Bare,

Wow! You caught me with ma pants beneath me knees. You know, I never ask a question that I do not know the answer to unless of course I don’t know the answer to the question that I ask.

I found it long ago. I wasn’t looking for it. Do you believe that the word of God, inspired and infallible speaks the truth?

The BIble is a Spiritual book. Inspired by the Spirit/God. To know the truth of which it speaks, one must have the Spirit that caused its writing, to be the interpreter not only to its truths, but to reveal the TRUTH Himself.

The word is more than ink on paper! It is New Life to those that believe from the heart.

1 Peter 23 Being born again 313 , not 3756 of 1537 corruptible 5349 **[seed 4701] ** , but 235 of incorruptible 862 , by 1223 the word 3056 of God 2316 , which liveth 2198 and 2532 abideth 3306 for 1519 ever 3588 165 .

This seed that pertains to the Word of God, is translated in the Greek as…StrongsGreek]
4701 spora spor-ah’ from 4687; a sowing, i.e. (by implication) parentage:–seed. see GREEK for 4687
StrongsGreek]
4690 sperma sper’-mah from 4687; something sown, i.e. seed (including the male “sperm”); by implication, offspring; specially, a remnant (figuratively, as if kept over for planting):–issue, seed. see GREEK for 4687

This is the working of the Holy Spirit. Taking the logos one reads, or hears, with a believing heart, confessing that belief, and causing a conception to take place in the spirit of the believer. Same parallel as Mary. She heard the word the angel brought, and she believed, and confessed her belief in the word spoken by the angel to her, and a conception took place. \

Truly a born again, born from above, born of the Spirt experience.

Bar.

 

[CopticChristian]

The BIble is a Spiritual book. Inspired by the Spirit/God. To know the truth of which it speaks, one must have the Spirit that caused its writing, to be the interpreter not only to its truths, but to reveal the TRUTH Himself.

The word is more than ink on paper! It is New Life to those that believe from the heart.

1 Peter 23 Being born again 313 , not 3756 of 1537 corruptible 5349 **[seed 4701] ** , but 235 of incorruptible 862 , by 1223 the word 3056 of God 2316 , which liveth 2198 and 2532 abideth 3306 for 1519 ever 3588 165 .

This seed that pertains to the Word of God, is translated in the Greek as…StrongsGreek]
4701 spora spor-ah’ from 4687; a sowing, i.e. (by implication) parentage:–seed. see GREEK for 4687
StrongsGreek]
4690 sperma sper’-mah from 4687; something sown, i.e. seed (including the male “sperm”); by implication, offspring; specially, a remnant (figuratively, as if kept over for planting):–issue, seed. see GREEK for 4687

This is the working of the Holy Spirit. Taking the logos one reads, or hears, with a believing heart, confessing that belief, and causing a conception to take place in the spirit of the believer. Same parallel as Mary. She heard the word the angel brought, and she believed, and confessed her belief in the word spoken by the angel to her, and a conception took place. \

Truly a born again, born from above, born of the Spirt experience.

Bar.

Bar,

Certainly you are not quoting Paul here…in Romans chapter 10

5For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness. 6But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), 7or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” 8But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Because Paul is actually quoting moses…and if you look at the beginning or the book of Romans…Paul points out in the beginning of the letter that the letter is addressed to all that have the same Faith…they are all saved…

Paul is addressing the Judaizing Christians that they don’t have to be involved in the Old Covenant to get saved…telling them that just like Moses…they refused to listen then and refuse to listen now…

8First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world. 9For God, whom I serve in my spirit in the preaching of the gospel of His Son, is my witness as to how unceasingly I make mention of you, 10always in my prayers making request, if perhaps now at last by the will of God I may succeed in coming to you. 11For I long to see you so that I may impart some spiritual gift to you, that you may be established; 12that is, that **I may be encouraged together with you while among you, each of us by the other’s faith, both yours and mine. **

so the letter is addressed to those that already have Faith…the letter is about getting saved by confessing anything…you wrongly understand the letter. Why would Paul wait until Chapter 10 to spring this on you…

The letter is about Obedience of Faith…not getting saved…

1Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, 2which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, 4who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord, 5through whom we have received grace and apostleship to **bring about the obedience of faith **among all the Gentiles for His name’s sake, 6among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;

and he conlcludes the letter saying exactly the same thing…

25Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past, 26but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith; 27to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ, be the glory forever. Amen.

Now don’t tell me you went to a Bible study where someone took you to Romans 10 and told you that this meant Paul was teaching how to get saved…Nahhhh, no way…did you?