The Purpose of Marriage

[PRmerger]

-we are agreed that we are commanded to judge, but to judge rightly, yes?

Nope. Baptists don’t really have any doctrine, you don’t get to join a church unless you’re invited, and you’re not invited unless you have made friends in the church and others can see you’re baptized in the Spirit, so we’re used to disagreeing and finding what we have in common, it’s no biggy.

This appears to be a non-sequitur? Not sure what judging has to do with joining a church unless you’re invited.

And would your church allow the vile Reverend Fred Phelps to come and preach there, provided that you could find something in common with his beliefs–he does, after all, proclaim Jesus to be Lord.

 

[PRmerger]

I don’t think a person can be said to properly reject a doctrine if it hasn’t been presented to a person.

That’s exactly right, TS! And that’s why I absolutely love to confound the non-Catholic Christians here with the concept that they have never ever before considered.

It would appear that their pridian concept was that the Bible in King James format, and leather bound, just fell down from heaven.

Until I confront them with the question: how is it that you believe that the Gospel of Mark is the inspired Word of God, except through the authority of the CC?

Not a single one has been able to provide a cogent response.

And, TS, I absolutely give you permission to use this question, as an atheist, when you are in dialogue with non-Catholic Christians. You will be flummoxed at the incoherent responses, ostensibly written with a straight face.

 

[PRmerger]

Speaking for myself, I’ve not been confronted with Catholic-specific claims outside of what I encounter on the Internet; rather I saw an occasional person that declared themselves Catholic that engaged in behaviours that from the outside looking in appeared quirky (like** burying some statue upside down** in the front lawn to assist in selling their house or avoiding certain types of protein on a certain day of the week). It was quite easy to not evaluate Catholic doctrine because it never came up. I only know what I know because I decided to satisfy a curiosity.

Yeah. That’s not a Catholic behavior. That it uses Catholic material–a statue of a saint–ought not be confused as a Catholic behavior.

It’s a superstitious behavior.

(And I’ve never heard of the protein thing, so I can’t comment on that.)

 

[PRmerger]

Your favorite topic.

Yep. Kinda.

But unfortunately off-topic here.

I think you will acknowledge that you left the door wide open for me. I simply stepped in.

When you ask, “I wonder how people knew God before the internet?” there is absolutely no way that I couldn’t enter that door!

Suffice it to say that the question, as posed by you, is a good one for you to ask yourself, as a Christian.

The answer is: **ONLY through the Catholic Church were people able to know Christ before the internet, and specifically before the Bible. **

 

[mek42]

Then you agree with PRmerger’s post?

No. She claims it ludicrous to be able to recognize inspiration in a text without the authority of the CC, yet this is exactly what needed to have happened for the canon to have been discerned in the first place.

I am not questioning the existence or even whatever authority the Church had over her members at the time, but rather I do not believe that however the early fathers decided on what was to be canonical was a ludicrous process. They, obviously, could not refer to a CC document about what was inspired, as the decision had not yet been made.

 

[PRmerger]

When I hear/read the many moral truths in the teachings of Christ, in short, that “special feeling” is Christ warming our very hearts with his word and this is how I can tell that it comes from God, because it touches my very heart like nothing else.

What I find ludicrous, josh, is the argument that someone could read a text and know whether it’s the inspired Word of God and what’s not, simply based on the feeling that is given in their heart. That is just ga-ga la-la nonsense.

 

[PRmerger]

I don’t need the CC to tell me they are inspired, I know.

Careful, josh. If by “inspired” you actually mean “inspiring”, as in, “The writings of this visionary inspire me to love God more!” then we are good.

But if by “inspired” you mean, “the Word of God”, (which is what I mean by “inspired”) then you are absolutely on treacherous ground.

Perhaps I will use “theopneustos,” or God-breathed as my terminology in the future, to avoid any confusion.

 

[PRmerger]

What Jewish law in the OT accepted polygamy/polygyny?

So if your daughter assured you that she was giving her full consent to a polyamorous relationship, and wanted to be part of a household in which she was married to a man who had 4 other wives, you’d be okay with her doing this? She assured you that all of the other wives were fully consenting as well…

Hi, mek.

Could you address the above 2 questions? Thanks.

 

[josh987654321]

Careful, josh. If by “inspired” you actually mean “inspiring”, as in, “The writings of this visionary inspire me to love God more!” then we are good.

But if by “inspired” you mean, “the Word of God”, (which is what I mean by “inspired”) then you are absolutely on treacherous ground.

Perhaps I will use “theopneustos,” or God-breathed as my terminology in the future, to avoid any confusion.

I don’t know if I am using my terms correctly, but by inspired, I mean that when Christ dictates to Katya what to wright in many of them, I know it comes from Christ, I know that you may take exception to this, however before you do, I would simply encourage you to read some first. (they all have the Catholic Imprimatur) so it’s not something that superceeds Catholic teaching or anything like that.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[PRmerger]

Yes, because they feel the Church has fallen away over time from what it was originally intended to be.

I don’t have a problem with that–that objection can be addressed.

However, it still needs to be acknowledged that the ONLY way any Christian knows what’s theopneustos and what’s just a plain old text about Jesus…

is through the Catholic Church.

 

[josh987654321]

What I find ludicrous, josh, is the argument that someone could read a text and know whether it’s the inspired Word of God and what’s not, simply based on the feeling that is given in their heart. That is just ga-ga la-la nonsense.

Yes, I agree. But how could the teachers of the law and the pharisses have known that what Jesus said was “The Inspired word of God?”

And I would say because all the signs pointed to it, because the truth was there and because of the many miracles he performed. (Just like the many miracles around Katya, including her Stigmata and the truth in her short books acknowledge by the Catholic Imprimatur they all recieved) I agree that It is ludicrous when someone takes a piece of text as the inspired Word of God on a whim or fancy without anything to back it up.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[PRmerger]

What exactly are you asking here?

If someone professes that the source of all Christian truth can be found only in the Bible (Sola Scriptura), then this position is untenable. For the 27 book table of contents of the NT isn’t found in the Bible. The author of that is the Catholic Church.

Many Catholic teachings, to non-Catholics, are absurd. The Trinity, the Immaculate Conception, the teaching that Mary was always a virgin, indulgences, are just a few that logic and reason can’t explain but are a matter of faith, period.

They are not contrary to reason, however.

The position: I know what is* theopneustos* just by reading it, and I don’t need any outside authority to tell me what’s* theopnesutos *is contrary to reason. It is, in fact, absurd.

I’ve seen non-Catholics laugh their arses off when they learned what the Church teaches about indulgences.

If you see them do this, I suggest you ask them, “What, exactly, does the CC teach about indulgences?”

And you will find boatloads of ignorance flying from their pens/computers/mouths.

As ludicrous as it sounds to you, it’s just as ludicrous to a non-Catholic to suggest that everyone needs the CC to tell them what’s inspired, especially if they believe the Church has become corrupt along the way over time. After all, they can read it themselves

.

So then could you propose how it is that you know what’s theopneustos without the CC telling you it is?

 

[PRmerger]

Yes, they can read it themselves, discuss it with their own leaders, etc. I can certainly understand their position.

So let’s explore this, Rence.

A non-Catholic Christian can read “it” themselves. What do you mean by “it”?

And what would they discuss with their own leaders? How would they discern that something is theopneustos and something is not? What criteria would they use?

 

[PRmerger]

There must be another way, else the canon could not have been established in the first place.

Yes! The “other way” is Sacred Tradition!!!

And, thus, each and every Christian who quotes from the Bible is giving a tacit acknowledgement to the truth of Sacred Tradition being a mode of the transmission of Revelation!!!

 

[PRmerger]

A group of people needed to look at the various texts and decide whether said texts were inspired or not. I do not believe that this initial process was ludicrous.

YES!!! :extrahappy::dancing::clapping::tiphat:

The above is nothing but a crude explication of what Sacred Tradition is.

 

[PRmerger]

I don’t know if I am using my terms correctly, but by inspired, I mean that when Christ dictates to Katya what to wright in many of them, I know it comes from Christ, I know that you may take exception to this, however before you do, I would simply encourage you to read some first. (they all have the Catholic Imprimatur) so it’s not something that superceeds Catholic teaching or anything like that.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

Well, we are talking about how non-Catholic Christians know what is inspired (here, read “the Word of God”) without the CC telling them it’s inspired.

The writings of a visionary are not the Word of God, and ought not be part of this discussion.

 

[PRmerger]

But how could the teachers of the law and the pharisses have known that what Jesus said was “The Inspired word of God?”

Through fides quaerens intellectum. Faith seeking understanding. Faith in the man that they met. Then, like the apostles and disciples, seeking to understand Him.

 

[josh987654321]

Well, we are talking about how non-Catholic Christians know what is inspired (here, read “the Word of God”) without the CC telling them it’s inspired.

The writings of a visionary are not the Word of God, and ought not be part of this discussion.

Okay, I wouldn’t have a clue how I can articulate or explain it.

All I can ask you to do is read them, maybe they have everything you require, but I am not as well educated in this area as you are, the miracles and the truth to her writtings are enough for me, they all have the Catholic Imprimatur.

Through fides quaerens intellectum. Faith seeking understanding. Faith in the man that they met. Then, like the apostles and disciples, seeking to understand Him.

Yup.

I think it’s best if I stop here, because you are probably misunderstanding me and I am most likely saying things incorrectly, because I cannot articulate with correct terminology or anything, I simply ask that you read some of them and than you will be able to tell me what I should be saying.

Katya’s short books -

Books on the Eucharist
The Holy Mass - loveandmercy.org/Eng-HM-Reg.pdf
Holy Hour - loveandmercy.org/Eng-HH-Reg.pdf
In Adoration - loveandmercy.org/Eng-IA-Reg.pdf

Books on Spiritual Testimonies & Devotions
Divine Providence - loveandmercy.org/Eng-DP-Reg.pdf
My Broken Christ Walks Over the Waters - loveandmercy.org/Eng-MBC-Reg.pdf
Praying the Rosary - loveandmercy.org/Eng-PR-Reg.pdf
The Visible Face of the Invisible God - loveandmercy.org/Eng-VF-Reg.pdf

Books on the Passion
The Passion - loveandmercy.org/Eng-TP-Reg.pdf
The Stations of The Cross - loveandmercy.org/Eng-SOC-Reg.pdf
From Sinai to Calvary - loveandmercy.org/Eng-FSC-Reg.pdf
I Have Given My Life for You - loveandmercy.org/Eng-IHG-Reg.pdf

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[PRmerger]

Okay, I wouldn’t have a clue how I can articulate or explain it.

All I can ask you to do is read them, maybe they have everything you require, but I am not as well educated in this area as you are, the miracles and the truth to her writtings are enough for me, they all have the Catholic Imprimatur.

Yup.

I think it’s best if I stop here, because you are probably misunderstanding me and I am most likely saying some things that you wont understand, because I cannot articulate with correct terminology or anything, I simply ask that you read some of them and than you will be able to tell me what I should be saying.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

As long as you are not saying that the writings of this person are the Word of God, then you are certainly free to continue to dialogue about this with interested people.

I am simply saying that there is no other way to know that the Gospel of Mark, the epistle to the Hebrews, etc etc etc are the Word of God…

[SIGN]except through deferring to the authority of the Catholic Church.[/SIGN]

No one has ever been able to offer an good refutation of this. They try. And come up with some zingers–like, “I just know that Hebrews is theopneustos because it speaks to me and I feel a burning in my heart when I read it!” :whacky:

 

[PRmerger]

What Jewish law in the OT accepted polygamy/polygyny?

So if your daughter assured you that she was giving her full consent to a polyamorous relationship, and wanted to be part of a household in which she was married to a man who had 4 other wives, you’d be okay with her doing this? She assured you that all of the other wives were fully consenting as well…

Hiya, mek!

Could you please answer the above 2 questions?