the Quran and the Bible at odds and opposed

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I want to elaborate on a point that came up in another thread today. I have some questions.

The Quran does not vary a little from the Bible in it’s account of Old Testament events. In fact, it varies a great deal and not regarding a few minor details either. In the Quran, you find stories about Moses that you will find nowhere else in recorded in the Bible or in biblical history. Stories about Moses in the Bible bear some resemblance to the Moses of the Christian Bible, but they are twisted, different, unfamiliar. Characters, times and events are transposed, presented out of sequence and then interwoven. Are we to understand that the Bible is incorrect in all of it’s accounts of Moses and every other Old Testament figure? Has the Bible been altered? By whom? Are we to believe that the Bible is wrong in all of it’s dozens, hundreds and subsequent thousands of copies in existance and wrong in all of the thousands of places it’s quoted by other writers in other works published during the 700 year after Christ and for more than 1000 years preceeding the birth and death of Jesus Christ? And we are to believe that the Quran has everything correct simply because Muslims say so? Muslims say that the Bible has been altered, even claiming that dozens of versions exist. Where and when did this happen? How could this have happened? Where is one pre-existing text that indicates that the Old or New Testament in any way resembles events as depicted in the Quran? Where is one pre-exsting text that would suggest that the Bible has been altered? If the Bible had been altered, than alternate versions would and must exist! Where are they? Are we to believe that Jesus said in some alternate Bible that he was in fact not the Son of God? That he did not die on the Cross with John the beloved disciple present and his own mother? How are we to believe that Christ did not rise from the dead? What of the testimony of Paul, chosen by Christ? What of the thousands who died for their witness that Christ rose from the dead? What of the Catholic Church which has ever asserted that Christ is the Son of God? Peter’s witness? How can Islam make such an accusation when evidence does not exist? If Islam and Christianity are to dialogue, find any common ground, how can the two pretend that the massive divide between the historical scriptural accuracy of the respective sacred texts of the two faiths does not exist?
 
I want to elaborate on a point that came up in another thread today. I have some questions.

The Quran does not vary a little from the Bible in it’s account of Old Testament events. In fact, it varies a great deal and not regarding a few minor details either. In the Quran, you find stories about Moses that you will find nowhere else in recorded in the Bible or in biblical history. Stories about Moses in the Bible bear some resemblance to the Moses of the Christian Bible, but they are twisted, different, unfamiliar. Characters, times and events are transposed, presented out of sequence and then interwoven. Are we to understand that the Bible is incorrect in all of it’s accounts of Moses and every other Old Testament figure? Has the Bible been altered? By whom? Are we to believe that the Bible is wrong in all of it’s dozens, hundreds and subsequent thousands of copies in existance and wrong in all of the thousands of places it’s quoted by other writers in other works published during the 700 year after Christ and for more than 1000 years preceeding the birth and death of Jesus Christ? And we are to believe that the Quran has everything correct simply because Muslims say so? Muslims say that the Bible has been altered, even claiming that dozens of versions exist. Where and when did this happen? How could this have happened? Where is one pre-existing text that indicates that the Old or New Testament in any way resembles events as depicted in the Quran? Where is one pre-exsting text that would suggest that the Bible has been altered? If the Bible had been altered, than alternate versions would and must exist! Where are they? Are we to believe that Jesus said in some alternate Bible that he was in fact not the Son of God? That he did not die on the Cross with John the beloved disciple present and his own mother? How are we to believe that Christ did not rise from the dead? What of the testimony of Paul, chosen by Christ? What of the thousands who died for their witness that Christ rose from the dead? What of the Catholic Church which has ever asserted that Christ is the Son of God? Peter’s witness? How can Islam make such an accusation when evidence does not exist? If Islam and Christianity are to dialogue, find any common ground, how can the two pretend that the massive divide between the historical scriptural accuracy of the respective sacred texts of the two faiths does not exist?
All good questions…
 
I think it is rather obvious that the Quran and the Bible are at odds and are opposed to each other. I mean, the Quran claims that Jesus did not die on the cross while the Bible claims that He does (and rightfully so). The Quran claims that Jesus is not the Son of God and the bible claims that He is (again rightfully so). Also, if I understand correctly, the Quran says that Mary was never married when the Bible clearly states that she was betrothed to Joseph. These are just a few of the ways that the Quran and the Bible are opposed to each other. Of course, one can always be certain that it is the Bible that is correct and not the Quran when it comes to places where they disagree with one another. 👍
 
I have Muslim friends infact, most of my friends are. One of them asked me the same kind of thing, but in the inverse of what you (the OP) stated. But because we are friends, that there was no issue for him what I believed in, but he did quip “Have we been brainwashed?” (he pointed his finger to himself and to me).

That got me thinking to my self (I didn’t tell him this), “Yes, that’s right…you have” 😃

MJ
 
Also if I may add the koran teach that allah is the best of decievers. Quran 3:54
ومكروا ومكر الله والله خير الماكرين
Literal: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.
So my point is , according to islam we should reject the bible and fallow the koran and allah who is claiming that he is the best of deceivers. the question is why we should believe someone that is claiming to be a deceiver. does not make any sens .

1 thimoty 3 [15] if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.
 
Also if I may add the koran teach that allah is the best of decievers. Quran 3:54
ومكروا ومكر الله والله خير الماكرين
Literal: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.
So my point is , according to islam we should reject the bible and fallow the koran and allah who is claiming that he is the best of deceivers. the question is why we should believe someone that is claiming to be a deceiver. does not make any sens .

1 thimoty 3 [15] if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.
Foundations and pillars do crack and corrode, just like facts. this is another Muslim bashing thread, say the same about Jews. and the thread will close,
The King James Bible and The Martin Luther Bible are different, I could use many quotations from both , the Martin Luther version does preach hatred of the Jews,
 
Foundations and pillars do crack and corrode, just like facts. this is another Muslim bashing thread, say the same about Jews. and the thread will close,
The King James Bible and The Martin Luther Bible are different, I could use many quotations from both , the Martin Luther version does preach hatred of the Jews,
Is it bashing to suggest and obviously point out that the differences exist between the Bible and the Quran? Are we to act as though the differences do not exist? How are Muslims and Catholics to dialogue if we cannot even speak plainly about the differences? We could simply agree that the two faiths have nothing in common, which is much closer to the truth, but what kind of dialogue is that?
 
woodland poet:
The Quran does not vary a little from the Bible in it’s account of Old Testament events. In fact, it varies a great deal and not regarding a few minor details either.
Hi.

They are difference because they are two different books. They do not have any relationship to each other. There is no continuation of events between the Bible and the Quran. Nothing.

The Bible is a composition of books throughout the ages where the sequence of events is explained in History and in the Bible.

The Quran is a result of a private revelation from the man who was no way connected to anything in the Bible.

I guess that’s why they are two different things. Any effort to connect the two is only a pretence of the non-existence.
woodland poet:
Are we to understand that the Bible is incorrect in all of it’s accounts of Moses and every other Old Testament figure? Has the Bible been altered? By whom?

Muslims say that the Bible has been altered, even claiming that dozens of versions exist. Where and when did this happen? How could this have happened? Where is one pre-existing text that indicates that the Old or New Testament in any way resembles events as depicted in the Quran? Where is one pre-exsting text that would suggest that the Bible has been altered? If the Bible had been altered, than alternate versions would and must exist! Where are they?
Nobody can answer you that because there was none. The Bible we have today is the same as that was read in the temple or among the early Christians. You do not look for something that did not exist.
 
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