TRINITY
i was asking about what the Quran corrects about the Trinity, and the arguments presented in Quran to refute it.
I know it says Jesus is not divine, but am interested in the refutation of the Trinity doctrine: Father, Word, Spirit. After all, doctrine was established before Muhammad, and if he wanted to refute it, as he loved refutations, and since he already presented the argument as “do not say 3 for God is One”, then where are the theological arguments presented in Quran that deny that God, His Word, His Spirit are One God? remember, we are talking about the nature of oness. Does the Quran refute that the Father, His Word His Spirit are One God?
Kindly present the arguments from Quran about the rejection of Triunine nature of God regardless of whether the author believes Jesus is the incarnate Word or not.
If one considers that his Roman crucifixion was intended to be an execution, if Jesus did not die by effects of nailing to the cross why did He die according to you? if from being beaten, then He could have recovered if He were not put on the cross. What is your point?
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he would not have been crucified, though he may certainly have been nailed to it. you mean He did not die *from *crucifixion, even though He was crucified? what did He die from? and how do you reconcile the Quran saying He was neither killed, nor crucified and that it appeared as such? what “appeared”?
This means that God took the life of Jesus from the cross, rather than allowing it to kill him through crucifixion.
how if He died on the cross? God could have made this before the cross, so what are you basing your theory on?
And it further reinforces the idea of Isaiah 42:4 that Jesus was not stopped nor discouraged by men, being killed by Jews or Romans, but rather he willingly returned to God in an act of obedience.
and he willingly died as an act of obediance. The NT clearly says He accepts His cross and death. Jesus said He will be handed, humiliated, beaten, put to death and resurrect. He did not say He will overcome the cross but He will overcome death.
The crucifixion started to take place but Jesus died before it could kill him,
based on speculation or scripture?
even though Muslims love to discredit the “sacrifice” of Jesus, but sacrifice is found in Islam so its not something i’d argue about.
So again, understandings are wrong, but the Quran and Bible are correct.
while dealing with Islamic understanding, we refer to the companions of Muhammad who understood and heard things from Muhammad. What you are presenting here are things unknown to the companions of Muhammad…this is why i may agree with you regarding certain things, but this will not negate the fact that Islamically, they are incorrect, since they do not reflect the understanding of either Muhammad’s companions, nor the traditions, nor the interpretations of the earliest scholars. To say the Quran is correct, means Muhammad is correct, yet his very companions and later followers quoted in tradition got things wrong, which is not very logical. By this token, if an x author wrote a book, yet his or his secretary’s interpretation is wrong, then i can make it look as if it were correct, by rejecting the interpretation of those who heard the interpretation of the author…
so what am asking for are answers from Quran, not imagination or personal interpretation, as to what arguments the Quran presents, and what arguments the Quran presents to refute them. Hence, i’d appreciate it if you quote the Quranic arguments and how they were interpreted historically. With all due respect, you cannot know more that all of the Islamic scholars, among whom were companions of Muhammad. Not to be disrespectful, but teachings must be understood through the lenses of those who uttered them.
agree.
