The quran

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“For example, if people are being oppressed in Country X, and not allowed to practice Islam, and there is a Muslim state Country Y, then the Muslim STATE is allowed to go to war with the oppressor to free the people. So I think you have sort of skimmed my posts and assumed I said something that in fact I didn’t say, and then you’re trying to prove that thing wrong. But that was never my statement in the first place.”

So by your statement the US banning aspects of sharia law such as killing apostates, polygamy and wife beating (umder any cirumstance) would be the prevention of muslims to practice their religion. I would also might add that by me not paying a jizya tax to muslims also constitutes muslims being prevented from fully practicing thier faith.

Does this mean muslims are justified in attacking the US since we are inhibiting US muslims from fully practicing their faith?

"Oppressive rule of Islam? Honestly, my answer to this question will **** you off, I’m sure (well, if you’re American), because it’s based on American diplomatic history. "

Another Tu Quoque logical fallacy.

"If Spain was Muslim for 700 years and now it’s Catholic, can we say it was formerly Muslim and now under the oppressive rule of Catholicism? "

Is being oppressive defined as the government changing from one form to another? No. You statement is not logical. It was the fact that it was under MUSLIM rule is what made it oppressive.

"Don’t you realize that even the MUSLIMS are denied rights in many(all) so-called “islamic countries?” How can you expect Christians to be treated fairly when even the MUSLIMS are oppressed? :confused: "

Christians are given LESS rights in muslim countries than muslims are given. This is expressed in islam and sharia law. That is the contradiction I am pointing out. If both non-muslims and muslims had equally reduced rights in muslims countries thent that would point to that particular regime. This is not the case. Muslims have MORE rights. That seems to point toward the fact that it is a muslim country.

“People converted to Islam. Get over it”
Hmmm…are you sure there were no wars involved with Spain becoming muslim? Or Lebenon? or Israel? Or Turkey? Or Iran? Or Iraq? Or Egypt? Or Lybia? Or Morraco? Or Sicily? All these folks converted to muslim on their own? :rolleyes:
 
How do muslims know that the Quran has not been altered or changed? What proof is there?
Dear ZuzuBailey,🙂

May Peace and Blessing with you. I want to explain about The Quran authenticness.Thou i am not the Priest, Monk or Alim( Knowledger). But i have good reason and prove for The Quran Sharif to be the exactly same word to word by Allah/God. And it is that you go EAST, WEST, NORTH, SOUTH. You will find The Quran Sharif same in whole wide world in Arabic Text. And to understand and be blessed with it. One has to know arabic and we have lots of Alim in this field which provide The Quran Sharif translation in very sensitive manners.

So my friend The Quran Sharif is the biggest miracle of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) PBUH. and with following this no Muslim will go astray in this world.
 
The only way of proving that the Quran had not changed would be to show the original media on which the surahs were originally FIRST written.
 
Sister Amy;3384111:
Oppressive rule of Islam? Honestly, my answer to this question will **** you off, I’m sure (well, if you’re American), because it’s based on American diplomatic history.
As an American, I’d be the first to tell you we are far from perfect, especially as it relates to international diplomacy. I am very interested to know specific details of diplomatic mistakes on our part that have caused so much trouble.
I’ve started a separate thread on this subject if you’re so inclined to oblige an answer. This particular thread has performed miserably staying on topic! Mea culpa…
 
Oppressive rule of Islam? Honestly, my answer to this question will **** you off, I’m sure (well, if you’re American), because it’s based on American diplomatic history.

If Spain was Muslim for 700 years and now it’s Catholic, can we say it was formerly Muslim and now under the oppressive rule of Catholicism?

People converted to Islam. Get over it.🙂
Nonsense! True Christian conversion is a matter of the heart. Islam, as in the attempted conquest of Europe, was by the sword. The Crusades were an attempt to turn back the Islamic conquest. Who taught you history? MoveOn.org? And, was America also the reason Spain was Islamic 700 years ago? Good grief!
 
Nonsense! True Christian conversion is a matter of the heart. Islam, as in the attempted conquest of Europe, was by the sword. The Crusades were an attempt to turn back the Islamic conquest. Who taught you history? MoveOn.org? And, was America also the reason Spain was Islamic 700 years ago? Good grief!
By the sword? What is Islam, that a sword causes someone to believe?

2:256.
 
By the sword? What is Islam, that a sword causes someone to believe?

2:256.
My point exactly. That may not be what the prophet taught, but it is what is all too often being practiced. Where is the outcry against the worst abuses within Islam? I hope and pray that peaceful Muslims will gain the advantage in this regard.

Peace be with you.
 
My point exactly. That may not be what the prophet taught, but it is what is all too often being practiced. Where is the outcry against the worst abuses within Islam? I hope and pray that peaceful Muslims will gain the advantage in this regard.

Peace be with you.
There is an outcry.
 
Hi friends!
ISLAM…
What is Islam???
Well 1st of all Islam is an Arabic word… and its meaning from the dictionary comes out to be as
[Arabic ’islām: submission, from ’aslama, to surrender, resign oneself, from Syriac ’ašlem, to make peace, surrender, derived stem of šlem, to be complete.]
My friends its always about peace in Islam what we Muslims are taught… but we should know that these are humans, who believe in several religions, and do mistakes, sins, and crimes…
So its not ristricted to the point of religion, or belief, and one of my friend said that the conversion to Islam has been done with the use of sword… as in my point it would have been done, I don’t disagree… But let me tell you those Muslims were not perfect as though i’m not… but we shall strive hard to follow the rules prescribed in our religion…
Blaming Islam for terrorism is just foolish argument! As for example Mercedes launches a new model and its given to the driver whose is not a perfect driver, and he trashes the car, now you tell me who is to be blamed, the car or the driver?? And if you blame the care you are foolish! now you put the expert driver in the seat and he will show you the features better than that of the non-expert…
so now coming to the point if you want to know What Islam is Then Study the life of the expert Muslim… Who is no doubt The last Prophet Muhammad[p.b.u.h]🙂
Now My fellas talking about the Holy Book Qur’an, ohh don’t doubt it, as there are no doubts… It reveals the World from the Birth of Adam to the end of the times! Don’t believe! never Mind… study and then argue!
as it is Said by the Prophet Muhammad[p.b.u.h.]…
so chill fellas!👍
 
Why is it there is always a new muslim poster every few days? Then they just go away…
Could it be that your Ip address is linked to another member or members?

Hi friends!
ISLAM…
What is Islam???
Well 1st of all Islam is an Arabic word… and its meaning from the dictionary comes out to be as
[Arabic ’islām: submission, from ’aslama, to surrender, resign oneself, from Syriac ’ašlem, to make peace, surrender, derived stem of šlem, to be complete.]
My friends its always about peace in Islam what we Muslims are taught… but we should know that these are humans, who believe in several religions, and do mistakes, sins, and crimes…
So its not ristricted to the point of religion, or belief, and one of my friend said that the conversion to Islam has been done with the use of sword… as in my point it would have been done, I don’t disagree… But let me tell you those Muslims were not perfect as though i’m not… but we shall strive hard to follow the rules prescribed in our religion…
Blaming Islam for terrorism is just foolish argument! As for example Mercedes launches a new model and its given to the driver whose is not a perfect driver, and he trashes the car, now you tell me who is to be blamed, the car or the driver?? And if you blame the care you are foolish! now you put the expert driver in the seat and he will show you the features better than that of the non-expert…
so now coming to the point if you want to know What Islam is Then Study the life of the expert Muslim… Who is no doubt The last Prophet Muhammad[p.b.u.h]🙂
Now My fellas talking about the Holy Book Qur’an, ohh don’t doubt it, as there are no doubts… It reveals the World from the Birth of Adam to the end of the times! Don’t believe! never Mind… study and then argue!
as it is Said by the Prophet Muhammad[p.b.u.h.]…
so chill fellas!👍
 
Why is it there is always a new muslim poster every few days? Then they just go away…
Could it be that your Ip address is linked to another member or members?
ohhh! thanx welcoming my friend! so lets start up with the stuff over and ahead!
RaWk on!
 
Why is it there is always a new muslim poster every few days? Then they just go away…
Could it be that your Ip address is linked to another member or members?
ohhh! thanx welcoming my friend! so lets start up with the stuff over and ahead!
RaWk on!👍
 
My point exactly. That may not be what the prophet taught, but it is what is all too often being practiced. Where is the outcry against the worst abuses within Islam? I hope and pray that peaceful Muslims will gain the advantage in this regard.

Peace be with you.
Quite right. The religions may not teach voilence and killing. So the Muslims will not blame the christians for their attack on the newly formed muslim state of Madina and the christians should also not blame the muslims.

It was all atatck from the forces of Kaisar in Rome against the state of madinah. The Muslims had to defend themselves. Once a battle starts then the conquest goes on unless there is final showdown in favor of one warring faction or there is a truce.

If the religion of Jesus does not teach killing any innocent person then Islam also does not teach killing of any innocent person. So we should find out where is the problem. Is it only that Muslims are at fault or the christians are also guilty and involved. I see that the christians killed more people. During the Crusades , they killed their own christian faith people. And we remember the Queen,i.e. bloody Mary. Not to mention anything about the conquests of the christian forces of Europe in Afrika and far east and India. How much they killed and occupied.

So let us say that all are guilty, the christians and the Muslims. The Quran does not teach killing of any innocent person and it does not teach anything unnatural. Islam is a religion of nature. The book of God (Quran) is based on nature. It is the word of God and it describes the work of God. There is no difference between the work of God and the word of God. That is the Quran.
 
Quite right. The religions may not teach voilence and killing. So the Muslims will not blame the christians for their attack on the newly formed muslim state of Madina and the christians should also not blame the muslims.

It was all atatck from the forces of Kaisar in Rome against the state of madinah. The Muslims had to defend themselves. Once a battle starts then the conquest goes on unless there is final showdown in favor of one warring faction or there is a truce.

If the religion of Jesus does not teach killing any innocent person then Islam also does not teach killing of any innocent person. So we should find out where is the problem. Is it only that Muslims are at fault or the christians are also guilty and involved. I see that the christians killed more people. During the Crusades , they killed their own christian faith people. And we remember the Queen,i.e. bloody Mary. Not to mention anything about the conquests of the christian forces of Europe in Afrika and far east and India. How much they killed and occupied.

So let us say that all are guilty, the christians and the Muslims. The Quran does not teach killing of any innocent person and it does not teach anything unnatural. Islam is a religion of nature. The book of God (Quran) is based on nature. It is the word of God and it describes the work of God. There is no difference between the work of God and the word of God. That is the Quran.
Hello plantan. Yes, let us start at the beginning, with the study of what both Muslims and Christians believe today. Let us admit that mistakes were made by both religions in the name of God/Allah and begin again to understand and accept one another. Peace.
 
There is no proof.
It is 100% made up of a concoction of things from the period.
Mostly Pagan beliefs and mixed religions.

here is a place to start
bible.ca/islam/islam-bible-allah.htm
**For Zulu: please do not believe anything that is said above. The Quran is in the field since 1400 years. Every Muslim is reciting it in his/her five daily prayers. The Quran is One every where in the world, no change at all. Go to North pole or south pole, get hold of a Quran from any one and you will see that it is exactly the same. That is the original quran.

It is being looked after and well guarded. Allah has said it Himself in the Quran that He has revealed that Quran and He will guard it (from corruption). There is no other book at present inthe world which could be called the word of God except the Quran. i.e. called Kalam Allah. Only Quranis the actual word of God. All other revealed books (words of God) have been lost. There is good reason for that.

The Quran is the word of God. The creation of the universe (and its laws) is the work of God. There is no difference in the word of God and work of God. You will find that the Quran is perfectly in line with nature. There is nothing un-natural in Quran. More later…**
 
Dear Jedda, Instead of thinking we have “absolute” certainty and knowledge of another’s religion and beliefs let us search out for outselves what it is that divides us, or brings us together. If one is sure in their own faith, learning of another is not going to delete that faith. Be kind.

Peace::blessyou:
 
The Quran actually its a true Books for Muslims. And Bible is a Holy book of Christians. Quran describe himself as The work Of SATAN! Thru its SATANIC words against Christians. Bible describe himself as the true work of God, and commands us to LOVE our Neighbor and Introduces True PEACE. Quran born in the middle of the History of Christianity, to counteract the will of God! A Book of Satan Came from thru his devil messenger Muhammad. Muslims want to Persecute Christians, and is in their Quran! There are a lot of Contradictions and Satanic verse in the Quran. Quran command moslems to kill the Christian. But the Bible commands us to LOVE AND give Peace to those who are not Believers. Quran is the OPPOSITE of Bible, and Quran trying to twist the TRUTH!
 
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