The Rage of the GLBT - Karma for the Church?

[George45]

I was minding my own business when some guys started calling me f****t and other disgusting terms, I told them to buzz off and they got rather violent, I spent the next couple days coughing up blood.

If what you are saying is true, then that is wrong. We are only hearing your side of story and it is possible what happened could be different.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

A Google search for the name “Matthew Shepard” at one time produced 11,900,000 results.

Matthew Shepard was a 21-yearold college student who was savagely beaten to death in 1998 in Wyoming. His murder has been called a hate crime because Shepard was gay.

A similar search on the Internet for the name “Mary Stachowicz” yielded 26,800 results

In 2002, Mary Stachowicz was also brutally murdered, but the circumstances were quite different. Mary, the gentle, devout 51-year-old Catholic mother of four urged her co-worker, Nicholas Gutierrez, 19, to change his gay lifestyle. Infuriated by this, as he later told police, he beat, stabbed and strangled her to death and then stuffed her mangled body in a crawl space in his apartment, located above a Chicago funeral home, where they both worked.

Both murders were senseless and brutal, and I condemn them both unequivocally. However, the fact that there are over eleven and a half million more Internet stories about Matthew Shepard than Mary Stachowicz indicates where popular sentiment lies today on the question of homosexuality.

Shepard’s story has received such widespread attention because (it was thought) his homosexuality was the chief motive for his murder. Mary’s murder was widely ignored by the media, despite the fact that she died as a martyr for her faith.

My point is that, in the light of popular opinion today, I recognize that we Catholics have an uphill struggle to persuade people that "…homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved."

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

There is something wrong with surgically maiming people’s genitals and breasts so that they can be false. Homosexuals can lecture on how we have no idea what we are talking about but there is something wrong with this. If somebody has healthy limb and suffers from amputee disorder, it would be bad for surgeons to amputate their healthy limbs because they think they have no limbs. Homosexuality does not result in procreation. World’s replacement population in some European nations, Japan and China are below replacement population value. It is male/female relations which result in procreation. Homosexual and lesbian relations do not result in children. Whether 1 is Christian, Jewish, Hindu or atheist, it is right to be against homosexuality as it does not cause procreation.

Transsexuality and homosexuality are rather different issues that you are conflating hence the comment on how you clearly have no idea on what you are talking about.

If what you are saying is true, then that is wrong. We are only hearing your side of story and it is possible what happened could be different.

They were men, I’m a woman, they came from across the street using repulsive epithets. Do you think a woman groped a guy from across the street? What horrible thing do you think a woman did to a trio of what looked like jocks that upset them enough to hurt me so bad I was coughing up blood for days?

 

[George45]

A Google search for the name “Matthew Shepard” at one time produced 11,900,000 results.

Matthew Shepard was a 21-yearold college student who was savagely beaten to death in 1998 in Wyoming. His murder has been called a hate crime because Shepard was gay.

A similar search on the Internet for the name “Mary Stachowicz” yielded 26,800 results

In 2002, Mary Stachowicz was also brutally murdered, but the circumstances were quite different. Mary, the gentle, devout 51-year-old Catholic mother of four urged her co-worker, Nicholas Gutierrez, 19, to change his gay lifestyle. Infuriated by this, as he later told
police, he beat, stabbed and strangled her to death and then stuffed her mangled body in a crawl space in his apartment, located above a Chicago funeral home, where they both worked.

Both murders were senseless and brutal, and I condemn them both unequivocally. However, the fact that there are over eleven and a half million more Internet stories about Matthew Shepard than Mary Stachowicz indicates where popular sentiment lies today on the question of homosexuality.

Shepard’s story has received such widespread attention because his homosexuality was the chief motive for his murder. Mary’s murder was widely ignored by the media, despite the fact that she died as a martyr for her faith.

My point is that, in the light of popular opinion today, I recognize that we Catholics have an uphill struggle to persuade people that "…homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved."

And the media said that he was killed by 2 people in Christianity’s name. But if you read Book of Matt by homosexual author Stephen Jimenez, the victim was a drug dealer who knew 1 of his murderers. Yes, Huffington Post, Media Matters and homosexual organizations media have condemned Stephen Jimenez, but Stephen Jimenez did a good job investigating this over 13 years, interviewing over 100 witnesses and no matter why the murder happened truth is the victim was a drug dealer, molester (yes he was arrested when he was 15 years old for molesting boys-recd. counseling for this) and not a saint.

 

[SuperLuigi]

And Christians have beaten and killed people who are perceived as LGBTQ, I have scars to prove it (they thought I’m a lesbian, I’m not).

Unfortunately, that has happened. Of course, so have Muslims, but I don’t see anyone complaining about that. In fact, there’s some attempted defense of Islam by atheists and liberals.

That, of course, is hypocritical.

I am sorry to hear you were attacked; but that doesn’t mean anyone gets special rights.

And no one has the monopoly on pain, suffering or being a victim.

Also, I’ve heard about Lesbian gangs attacking people in TN. :tsktsk:

Violence like that in any case is unacceptable.

Also, if one is assaulted, they need to contact the police.

What a load of stereotyping tosh.

I prefer the facts, which were stated pretty plainly.

1. most LGBT people are women

Irrelevant as far as what I wrote was concerned.

1. Non-hispanic white are least likely to identify as LGBTQ

This strengthens my argument. So :thankyou:

1. men who identify as bisexual or gay get a lot of abuse and marginalization

So do Christians.

It’s not actually that easy

Neither is being a fully Christian in this day and age.

Myspace? no one uses Myspace anymore, it’s so 2004.

People used to, and there were (and probably still are) people who fake their orientation to get special attention.

Maybe people are more interested on what is going on in their own country to people they know than to people they don’t know in countries they don’t know much about.

Actually, a lot of the same people who pander to GLBTQ also pander to the international community.

Muslim women don’t wear bikinis and it would be rather nice to be able to go to the pool and not get catcalls (I have never worn a bikini and never will).

I’m sure. But as I keep saying, gay “marriage” advocates continue to defend Islam at any and every turn.

And some of them cannot bring themselves to accept why I think the clock is ticking on their aspirations.

Western countries heavily profit from it and so do white consumers.

Perhaps true, but I sense more malice in this comment: getting jabs at whitey however we can?

Well then there is very little “real Christianity” these days except in the modernist ones that are constantly redefining teaching.

Not in the RCC! Protestants and

Yeah, those incredibly selfish reasons like being guaranteed the right to visit their significant other in the hospital.

Err, okay.

Most are generally on about rights not votes for liberals.

In my experience in the USA, the people who always seemed hesistant about persons of other races or GLBTQ were democrats and/or gay “marriage” supporters.

Somewhere down the line, there’s gay “marriage” supporters who want nothing to do with GLBTQ.

Is it about acceptance, or like entitlement-minded activism a case of “shut-up, write me a check and we can go our separate ways”.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I very much do :thankyou:

Also, I would advise not saying things like that on this forum; it’s always best to stick to the issues.

Overall, this response to my post was concerning because it shows lack of understanding regarding scandal.

 

[George45]

Transsexuality and homosexuality are rather different issues that you are conflating hence the comment on how you clearly have no idea on what you are talking about.

They were men, I’m a woman, they came from across the street using repulsive epithets. Do you think a woman groped a guy from across the street? What horrible thing do you think a woman did to a trio of what looked like jocks that upset them enough to hurt me so bad I was coughing up blood for days?

Both are the same thing. If what you say is true then that is wrong. But there have been high profile cases of lesbians saying the same thing you did but it was later shown to be false in that it never happened. I am not concluding that you are doing this, but only saying that we are only hearing your side of story and since we do not know you, I can not know 1 way or another if this happened.

 

[SuperLuigi]

A Google search for the name “Matthew Shepard” at one time produced 11,900,000 results.

Matthew Shepard was a 21-yearold college student who was savagely beaten to death in 1998 in Wyoming. His murder has been called a hate crime because Shepard was gay.

A similar search on the Internet for the name “Mary Stachowicz” yielded 26,800 results

In 2002, **Mary Stachowicz **was also brutally murdered, but the circumstances were quite different. Mary, the gentle, devout 51-year-old Catholic mother of four urged her co-worker, Nicholas Gutierrez, 19, to change his gay lifestyle. Infuriated by this, as he later told police, he beat, stabbed and strangled her to death and then stuffed her mangled body in a crawl space in his apartment, located above a Chicago funeral home, where they both worked.

Both murders were senseless and brutal, and I condemn them both unequivocally. However, the fact that there are over eleven and a half million more Internet stories about Matthew Shepard than Mary Stachowicz indicates where popular sentiment lies today on the question of homosexuality.

Shepard’s story has received such widespread attention because (it was thought) his homosexuality was the chief motive for his murder. Mary’s murder was widely ignored by the media, despite the fact that she died as a martyr for her faith.

Thanks for sharing!

My point is that, in the light of popular opinion today, I recognize that we Catholics have an uphill struggle to persuade people that "…homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved."

They can pass all sorts of rules, change definitions, and persecute Christians all while circling around defending Islam at any and every turn, but no matter how much they do this, natural law cannot be changed.

In the USA the activists are excited to get so-called gay “marriage” legal. But what happens when the “marriages” start breaking down? What happens when unbiased data rolls in showing that gay relationships are bad for kids?

There’s a endless pit of frustration here and some will come after us (we’re safe targets, you see) because they are trying to create something that just cannot be. Maybe sooner rather than later Christians in the West will be martyed over this, maybe even by other Christians.

The others will just leave GLBTQ persons to rot. They did the same thing to Native Americans, African-Americans, and are doing it to single women and Hispanics now in those border camps.

A lot of them don’t “care” as much as they say or even think.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Both are the same thing. If what you say is true then that is wrong. But there have been high profile cases of lesbians saying the same thing you did but it was later shown to be false in that it never happened. I am not concluding that you are doing this, but only saying that we are only hearing your side of story and since we do not know you, I can not know 1 way or another if this happened.

Transgender people can be heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual or asexual; non-transgender LGB people have no interest in transitioning.

Those ones wanted attention, I don’t, I didn’t go to the police because I doubt they’d care and I’m terrible with faces so it’s not like they’d be able to find the people. Many women both heterosexual and not learn to “brush off” abuse both sexual and not from men as “a fact of life”.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

And the media said that he was killed by 2 people in Christianity’s name. But if you read Book of Matt by homosexual author Stephen Jimenez, the victim was a drug dealer who knew 1 of his murderers. Yes, Huffington Post, Media Matters and homosexual organizations media have condemned Stephen Jimenez, but Stephen Jimenez did a good job investigating this over 13 years, interviewing over 100 witnesses and no matter why the murder happened truth is the victim was a drug dealer, molester (yes he was arrested when he was 15 years old for molesting boys-recd. counseling for this) and not a saint.

Mary was a Saint.

Neither murder was justified.

BUT…Mary’s murder was widely ignored while Shepard’s murder was heralded by gay activists through out the media as the “Hate Crime” of the century.

Why?

 

[Sarcelle]

Transsexuality and homosexuality are rather different issues that you are conflating hence the comment on how you clearly have no idea on what you are talking about.

They were men, I’m a woman, they came from across the street using repulsive epithets. Do you think a woman groped a guy from across the street? What horrible thing do you think a woman did to a trio of what looked like jocks that upset them enough to hurt me so bad I was coughing up blood for days?

These were men who have it in their minds to beat someone up. I don’t think they were encouraged by the Church to act the way they did.

 

[RedFox0456]

This thread has turned ugly.

 

[George45]

Transgender people can be heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual or asexual; non-transgender LGB people have no interest in transitioning.

That is based on what you mean as straight. Transexuality** is **homosexuality whether or not a person does same sex behaviors. The homosexual priests who abuse boys may or may not think of themselves as homosexual but their behavior says they are.

 

[Estevao]

Cool, two wrongs make a right. Awesome atheist morality OP. Glad to see the other catholics here agreeing that we deserve persecution for sticking to the 6th and 9th commandments too.

Keep on comparing Christianity to Fred Phelps as if he were the paradigm of it and talking about intellectual honesty while you’re at it too OP.

Lol.

 

[Estevao]

Mary was a Saint.

Neither murder was justified.

BUT…Mary’s murder was widely ignored while Shepard’s murder was heralded by gay activists through out the media as the “Hate Crime” of the century.

Why?

It seems to me to be just a manifestation of a certain agenda we’re told doesn’t exist.

 

[sallybutler]

Though I am non-Christian, I do not believe Christians beat up people who are perceived as homosexual. What I will say having known these cases is that most of them are young men defending themselves after homosexual committed criminal abuse such as homosexual grabs a young man’s butt or crotch against will (criminal assault and battery possibly sex abuse) and after the man defends himself by punching the gay in the face, the gay for sympathy tells of how he got bashed by intolerant bigots in an unprovoked attacked (even calling them Christians w/o knowing their faith) though it was the homosexual’s who committed sex abuse before men defended themselves.

As a female, I really don’t understand why guys think it is okay to punch some guy in the face just because someone pinched his tushy. Most females have had this happen at least once in their life. Do you see us bashing guys in the face? No, we get told not to dress so provocatively, don’t go to places where that might happen, take it as a compliment.

I suppose I should have more sympathy for you guys. But I have a hard time finding it within me after 43 years (since I was 14) of putting up with this kind of nonsense from straight men.

 

[kozlosap]

What, Fox News hasn’t done a story on the gang of lesbians in Tennessee who roam around beating up people? How sad. After reading the posts on this thread, I’m truly glad that none here have a LGBT son, daughter or brother or sister. How could you ever stand to acknowledge that you are related to such horrible humans?

 

[SoulSolace]

This statement would suggest you were beaten by Christians;

And Christians have beaten and killed people who are perceived as LGBTQ, I have scars to prove it (they thought I’m a lesbian, I’m not).

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In response to another poster suggesting the ‘why’s’ of how these things occur sometimes

I was minding my own business when some guys started calling me f****t and other disgusting terms, I told them to buzz off and they got rather violent, I spent the next couple days coughing up blood.

And again;

They were men, I’m a woman, they came from across the street using repulsive epithets. Do you think a woman groped a guy from across the street? What horrible thing do you think a woman did to a trio of what looked like jocks that upset them enough to hurt me so bad I was coughing up blood for days?

And when it was suggested that one only knows one side of the story, and therefor can’t judge;

Those ones wanted attention, I don’t, I didn’t go to the police because I doubt they’d care and I’m terrible with faces so it’s not like they’d be able to find the people. Many women both heterosexual and not learn to “brush off” abuse both sexual and not from men as “a fact of life”.

I see nothing in the above statements from you that would suggest Christians were at the helm of the assault on you. The only thing that describes them even a bit are the words (of yours) I bolded above.
Were they dressed in Vestments? Carrying a Bible?
For all that was said here, they actually could have been Muslim, or Atheist.
This is why people think LGBTQ’s (and supporters of said) will go to any lengths to further the cause.
Sorry this happened to you, but nothing indicates Christians did it.

God bless.

 

[SoulSolace]

A Google search for the name “Matthew Shepard” at one time produced 11,900,000 results.

Matthew Shepard was a 21-yearold college student who was savagely beaten to death in 1998 in Wyoming. His murder has been called a hate crime because Shepard was gay.

A similar search on the Internet for the name “Mary Stachowicz” yielded 26,800 results

In 2002, Mary Stachowicz was also brutally murdered, but the circumstances were quite different. Mary, the gentle, devout 51-year-old Catholic mother of four urged her co-worker, Nicholas Gutierrez, 19, to change his gay lifestyle. Infuriated by this, as he later told police, he beat, stabbed and strangled her to death and then stuffed her mangled body in a crawl space in his apartment, located above a Chicago funeral home, where they both worked.

Both murders were senseless and brutal, and I condemn them both unequivocally. However, the fact that there are over eleven and a half million more Internet stories about Matthew Shepard than Mary Stachowicz indicates where popular sentiment lies today on the question of homosexuality.

Shepard’s story has received such widespread attention because (it was thought) his homosexuality was the chief motive for his murder. Mary’s murder was widely ignored by the media, despite the fact that she died as a martyr for her faith.

My point is that, in the light of popular opinion today, I recognize that we Catholics have an uphill struggle to persuade people that "…homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved."

Thank you for this.
I had not heard of Mary Stachowicz before.
She truly did die for her faith it seems.

God bless.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

These were men who have it in their minds to beat someone up. I don’t think they were encouraged by the Church to act the way they did.

I never claimed that they were Catholic; many black churches can be quite homophobic.

That is based on what you mean as straight. Transexuality** is **homosexuality whether or not a person does same sex behaviors. The homosexual priests who abuse boys may or may not think of themselves as homosexual but their behavior says they are.

Define “homosexuality”

Cool, two wrongs make a right. Awesome atheist morality OP. Glad to see the other catholics here agreeing that we deserve persecution for sticking to the 6th and 9th commandments too.

Keep on comparing Christianity to Fred Phelps as if he were the paradigm of it and talking about intellectual honesty while you’re at it too OP.

Lol.

I think we need to focus more on teaching to young people that fornication is intrinsically disordered.

As a female, I really don’t understand why guys think it is okay to punch some guy in the face just because someone pinched his tushy. Most females have had this happen at least once in their life. Do you see us bashing guys in the face? No, we get told not to dress so provocatively, don’t go to places where that might happen, take it as a compliment.

I suppose I should have more sympathy for you guys. But I have a hard time finding it within me after 43 years (since I was 14) of putting up with this kind of nonsense from straight men.

Don’t forget 13 year old girls being propositioned by men old enough to be their grandfathers where “he’s just a dirty old man, you shouldn’t be dressing so provocatively” whereas if a 18 year old guy gets hit on a by a 25 year old guy that’s apparently justification for a beating because he deserved it.

What, Fox News hasn’t done a story on the gang of lesbians in Tennessee who roam around beating up people? How sad. After reading the posts on this thread, I’m truly glad that none here have a LGBT son, daughter or brother or sister. How could you ever stand to acknowledge that you are related to such horrible humans?

Well, if it is anything like the “Violent Lesbian Gangs a Growing Problem” that the O’Reilly Factor commented on it’s probably lesbians responding with force to groping and repeated sexual harassment. Guys, motorboarding lesbians is a really bad idea.

 

[estesbob]

I’ve seen so many debates here regarding homosexuality but I often have trouble seeing this particular sub-topic being discussed.

But before I go on, here’s a disclaimer: I don’t care for the GLBT agenda. To half the gays I know, I’m a friend but the kind of friend that’s never without a Fred Sanford-style remark.

What I don’t get is so why are so many Christians crying about the GLBT agenda winning so many hearts and sympathies? I just don’t get it. You’re talking about a minority that really has been bullied, harassed, and marginalized by religious authorities.

Now I hear Christians whining about them playing the victim card. Well Mr. Fred Phelps, who do you think gave them that card in the first place?

Don’t you think it’s intellectually dishonest for Catholics to engage in a culture war with the GLBT movement and ignore just how much of its anger came from religious mistreatment? Don’t any of you even consider the idea that the whole movement was a backlash waiting to happen?

How could anyone act like this wasn’t coming?

The Catholic Church is not engaged in a culture war with the homosexual movement. It is teaching the same thing about homosexual behavior that it has for the last 2,000 years. Because the current culture embraces such behavior does not change the fact that it is grievously sinful. The Church continues to point this out because it is the truth and the truth does not change just because a culture demands it.