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aleks
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Cost of illegal immigrants? They make a great contribution to the country’s economy,because from their paychecks,taxes are being deducted,thay buy clothes,groceries,pay rent,etc.That is a contribution for the economy.
Aleks.
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kim3260
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Are you all kidding?
#1. Most are paid under the table—there goes your tax theroy
#2. Clothes—maybe
#3. Groceries—again maybe
#4. Rent—yeah if you all count 8-10 living in a one bedroom apartment or trailer.
I believe that a honest hard working man woman or family wishes to live and work here and be legal then by all means do come. It’s the UNDERGROUND that is ruining our economy.
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Ituyu
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Actually Aleks is quite correct! Our economics experts consistently agree that we benefit more from “Illegal” immigration than its costs.
independent.org/newsroom/news_detail.asp?newsID=74
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Al_Masetti
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If the economic impact of illegal immigrants is so positive, then why have so many emergency rooms in California closed?
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Ituyu
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From the Hospital Association of Southern California website:
"James Lott is Executive Vice President of the Hospital Association of Southern California
Too many illegal immigrants are overwhelming the healthcare system and driving up health insurance costs. That’s the latest sound bite in the war of words over immigration reform. In a recent poll, a majority of the respondents thought that illegal immigrants were responsible for 50 percent or more of the uninsured treated in Southern California hospitals. But is that really the case?
While it is true that providing treatment to undocumented immigrants creates a drain on hospital resources, the question is: How much of the problem can reasonably be attributed to the undocumented? And if we solved the problem of illegal immigration tomorrow – which we won’t – would healthcare costs return to “reasonable” levels?
Illegal immigrants are responsible for roughly 20 percent of the $2 billion in unreimbursed care that Southern California hospitals deliver each year. Even if you consider that factor, you have to conclude that it’s the larger problem of just simply having so many uninsured patients that is a key driver of rising hospital costs."
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Jeffrey
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Now then… take out all the $$$ we pay when they don’t pay thier hospital bills and the free lunches for thier kids in our schools etc… and they owe US lots of money. SO I’m not buying your arguement.
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Texas_Roofer
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The cost of illegal immigration is negative. They supply more economic benefit than they reap. This is economics not theory. If you would like some common sense proof, that is unbelievable simple. They simply would not come if they could not find jobs. So there employment by definition increases the American Economy.
They irony here is by labeling them as illegal as opposed to guest workers you prevent them from paying full taxes. Similarly to answer several other questions from the thread
They irony here is by labeling them as illegal as opposed to guest workers you prevent them from paying full taxes. Similarly to answer several other questions from the thread
- Hospitals - simply the hospital use is not evenly spread nor is the practices sited exclusive to illegal immigrates. Illegal’s do what we do at the hospitals.
- Border damage - If we allow guest workers these people would cross at the check points
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Texas_Roofer
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Are their U.S. or State laws of which I am not aware that provide unique and specific:
- Free medical services to illegal workers
- Waive clothing taxes to illegal workers
- Waive grocery taxes to illegal workers
- Waive property taxes for landlords of illegal workers
- Allow “under table payments” between any parties in the U.S.
- Free Lunches to illegal workers or their children
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jassbass
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There are some calculations left out of the cost of Illegal Aliens cost to health care. In order for an illegal to work in the US he/she most times submit a social security number to their employer. That social security number - valid or not - causes 6.2% of their wages to to be paid into the tax that pays for health care (FICA).
The issue here is that if these people were allowed to work here legally they would be able to receive health benifits to pay for their health care cost from the FICA fund. By legislating these people out of how out of being able to be taxed as legal workers the problem will continue to get worse. Of course you say they should not be allowed to come here and work. Ok, if we do that the cost of labor for the jobs they do will increase becuase American worker must be paid the federal minimum wage and that increase will be passed on to the consumer. The increase in cost means we end up paying more either way.
When complaining I feel we should look at the overall picture thus giving us an idea of how to effect a real solution. Some think the solution is a fence. I think the solution is losening our borders so we can encourage a free market economy. By allowing illegals to be part of our economy we create more jobs by having them as wage earning consumers. Mexicans, as these illegals can be called, earn money to support their families and they also buy our products with the money they make. This is one example of what would happen if we changed our thinking, I can give you more if you would like.
The issue here is that if these people were allowed to work here legally they would be able to receive health benifits to pay for their health care cost from the FICA fund. By legislating these people out of how out of being able to be taxed as legal workers the problem will continue to get worse. Of course you say they should not be allowed to come here and work. Ok, if we do that the cost of labor for the jobs they do will increase becuase American worker must be paid the federal minimum wage and that increase will be passed on to the consumer. The increase in cost means we end up paying more either way.
When complaining I feel we should look at the overall picture thus giving us an idea of how to effect a real solution. Some think the solution is a fence. I think the solution is losening our borders so we can encourage a free market economy. By allowing illegals to be part of our economy we create more jobs by having them as wage earning consumers. Mexicans, as these illegals can be called, earn money to support their families and they also buy our products with the money they make. This is one example of what would happen if we changed our thinking, I can give you more if you would like.
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Judeluke
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I guess if that would include being pregnant. All women illegal or not that show up at the hospital are treated those that cannot pay do not at certain hopitals as at one of our hospitals here in Dallas. It has put a strain on our resources see the following article: dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/061206dnmetmoms.d9b9669.html
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Ituyu
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But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government. According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.
One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers. No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows.
What’s more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks. Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus. The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year.
Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children. The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume.
Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed. To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program. Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn’t be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs.
The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don’t want here in the first place. With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around
reason.org/commentaries/dalmia_20060501.shtml
Besides over the long-term, this will mean fewer complications and fewer expenses for American citizens.
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Texas_Roofer
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Texas_Roofer
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Thanks but being a guest worker would not necessarily allow FICA standing. It would allow the purchase of insurance and retirement with out current status issues. Also as going wage is will above the Federal Minimum Wage their will not be an increase in labor cost. Their will be an increase in labor quantity which raises GDP and increases the solvency of the Social Security System.
Please keep that a secret as some on the form may have an emotional melt down when they find out immigrates legal and illegal are supporting their retirement checks. As for health care it runs 22-26% of labor always so for illegal to burden our health care they have to either 1) work too cheap, and or 2) have 2-3 non-laborers per worker. Just the facts Dan’O
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Fremont
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You might want to check your source for the information in your post.
The 6.2% payroll tax is for Social Security, i.e. to pay benefits to retirees and certain others. Those funds have nothing to do with health care.
An additional 1.45% payroll tax is levied for Medicare. These medical benefits are generally for persons 65 years of age and older.
Medical benefits to the indigent is called Medicaid.
The government says Medicaid is a state administered program and each state sets its own guidelines regarding eligibility and services.
Medicaid is available only to certain low-income individuals and families who fit into an eligibility group that is recognized by federal and state law. Depending on your state’s rules, you may also be asked to pay a small part of the cost (co-payment) for some medical services.
Further, certain requirements must be met. These may include your age your income and resources (like bank accounts, real property, or other items that can be sold for cash);- - - and whether you are a U.S. citizen or a lawfully admitted immigrant.
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Texas_Roofer
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The article claims an 8 million dollars surplus? The article also shows the issue you site is less than 10% of the overall hospital budget. The article also sites the 1985 law which was passed by US Government concerning this issue.
The article also makes no attempt to quantify the increase the illegals contribute to the Dallas county tax/property tax base, information which is very important.
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sergio_antonio
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Cheap labor is valuable to the economy. The Economic Value Added is many multiples of the actual cost of the labor. So, next time you complain about illegal immigration, either use another argument or be honest and tally up the total Economic Value Added to the economy due either directly or indirectly from this cheap labor. If you do the math right, then you will get a net benefit.
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mangy_dog
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So this is where that e-mail came from. Just so you know, I’m the one that answered your e-mail with sarcasm and disgust. I won’t go into everything I said. Just this, I work with the poor, unpriviledged, oppressed, illegal immigrants that come to this country seeking a better life for their families.
When the prophecies speak of the “future persecutions” of christians… little would anyone think that we would be the ones doing the persecuting.
I thank God for the opportunity to help the less priviledged, the poor huddled masses…illegal immigrants running away from oppresion and abject poverty.
I dread the day when you and others like you make it illegal to do so.
This probably what Jesus was referring to when He said “you will always have the poor with you but you won’t always have Me.”
Gospa Mir.
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sergio_antonio
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Jesus Christ was the original bleeding heart liberal.
So, if you are a TRUE follower of Christ you would look deep in your heart and examine critically what is there OR what is NOT there.
I find it extremely ODD to find such rabid anti-immigrant rantings on a RELIGIOUS board.
What do you think is God’s position on this issue?
Shame on those that wish ill on God’s children.
So, if you are a TRUE follower of Christ you would look deep in your heart and examine critically what is there OR what is NOT there.
I find it extremely ODD to find such rabid anti-immigrant rantings on a RELIGIOUS board.
What do you think is God’s position on this issue?
Shame on those that wish ill on God’s children.
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davia
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Well, not that I support illegal aliens coming (well, actually it depends on the situation and as in the post above, WWJD?), I do (big-time) support legal aliens coming and joining our country. However, all people have the right to health care, and just because a family brought a 2 year old child (or whatever age, it doesnt’ matter) with them to the US and something horrible like a car accident or shooting injurs him does not mean a less serious American citizen should be seen and treated before him.
Money shouldn’t be an option when it comes to healthcare. Should we let an illegal child die because an american child was there with a broken leg and wanted to be seen first because he’s a citizen? And we shouldn’t turn people away who need healthcare just because we don’t want to absorb the cost. People argue they want abortion legal because if not, they will have to pay money for all those kids born and who need money from the gov (poverty for example). Should we keep abortion legal then because of the “cost” of taking care of the extra kids? And should we turn away those Americans without health care because we have to absorb the costs?
Besides on an off note - a woman in labor should not go to the emergency room (the emergency room should be for real emergencies only), she should be going to the labor and delivery wing, so the example isn’t really realistic because chosing between a woman in labor and an illegal having a heart attack is simple when they both can have a doctor helping each of them in their correct place at the hospital. And before someone says it may be an emergency (the woman in labor) she would still have to go to L&D - I know, I was on death’s door when I had my son but I still had him in L&D b/c they are best equiped for mother and child there.
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